Anon’s Story

In the comments of yesterday’s post about C.J. Mahaney’s guidelines for watching the Super Bowl (no, I’m not joking, he really did write lengthy instructions for how to have proper fellowship and keep from sinning on game day by changing the channel to C-SPAN during commercials!), someone using the handle of “Anon” posted the following:

I’m just going to share a little story and some minor commentary at the end.

One Superbowl Sunday, I was at a prominent SGM (then PDI) member’s house. There were dozens of others in attendance, lots of teens and younger adults. Remote controlling and commercial censoring were in full effect, snacks were in abundance, and everything was so biblical…as biblical as recently invented sports events centered around electronic devices can be. During a commercial break, I was sexually assaulted against an exterior wall of that house.

I was thirteen.

Not a single one of those appointed to ‘watch over’ anything, much less my soul, noticed a thing when I and the perpetrator went back inside the house. I doubt it would have mattered anyway. My family was in the outer circle, despite decades of $$$ and attendance. I started “rebelling” thereafter and refused to attend any church functions, and my parents surprisingly didn’t seem to mind (despite them not knowing the reasons for my rebellion). They severed ties with PDI/SGM 2 years later.

Why bring this up? I think it’s quite telling that despite the micromanagement of ‘biblical living’, horrible things have not only slipped under the radar of those ‘caring for our souls’ (etc., barf) but have been actively hidden, squashed, silenced. The pending lawsuit is long-deserved. I hope it ruins the entire organization financially and every single perpetrator and co-conspirator financially, mentally and physically.

173 comments

  1. Kris says:

    Anon, I am so sorry that this ever happened to you!

    (I know it was a long time ago and nothing anyone can say will erase the fact that it happened…but I just wanted to say that anyway.)

  2. Kris says:

    What Anon shared really does highlight the cluelessness of SGM’s culture, especially in light of the fact that CJ/Chad actually re-published the same exact Super Bowl guidelines on their sports blog yesterday.

    I mean, it’s just so ridiculous. Whether or not CJ is directly connected to any of the lawsuit incidents or not (and right now, it would appear that he was crafty enough to make sure others actually reinforced the policies that his twisted teachings created), CJ still presides over the organization associated with the lawsuits. He also is aware of the basic truths behind the allegations. While nothing has been decided in a court of law yet, CJ knows what really happened, at least in the situations that took place at CLC.

    So he has got to be aware of the great evil that was happening right under his nose even as he was spewing all his elaborate instructions for how to be more holy and beat back sin by commandeering the TV remote and changing channels so as not to “stumble” men with accidental peeps at hot bikini-clad models in beer commercials.

    CJ has got to know that his teachings did nothing to prevent real perversion.

    (Hmm…reminds me of that verse: “Where the law abounds, sin doth more abound.)

    Yet – and here’s what’s so crazy – even while CJ knows that all his sin-sniffing legalism and fussy rules for “real” fellowship and fighting sin were ineffective, he does not repent of this garbage. No.

    Instead, he (and his figurehead Chad) re-publish the same garbage yesterday.

    I think the guy has lost his mind. I really do.

    Either that, or the paid lackeys surrounding him are losing their minds and not giving him good advice about what he should put on his blog.

  3. old timer says:

    Anon, That makes me angry that happened to you at what should have been a fun time.

    Hypocrites, white washed tombs who control remotes and make kids close their eyes while a molestation occurs under their noses.

    Let the chips fall where they may.

  4. Sgmnot says:

    Anon: This just breaks my heart. I am so sorry that your innocence was shattered in this way, and at a time and place that you and your parents thought, “Oh, of course, our kids will be safe”. But sadly, no. The abusers and anyone in authority in SGM who knew about the abusers must be held accountable for their crimes!

  5. Diego says:

    IMO CJ has set the precedent of image over change. He preaches on what it looks like to be a Christian, rather than preach of Jesus and let fruit grow. It teaches a wolf to look like a sheep. But under the cloak he is still a wolf. This is a dangerous part of SGM. We are to trust our pastors and follow them, but many of them are wolves in sheeps clothing. This culture allows wolves in our midst to look like a christian, but satisfy his cravings and feed on the trusting people who attended. Many pastors/wolves look good, know what to say (taught by CJ and his minions in PC), and let loose on the sheep. Again, I believe this is a very dangerous part of SGM and their churches. Don’t fall for their displays of good. It’s all image. This culture has not changed. It is still a very dangerous place to entrust your family.

  6. Anon’s post is sadly too typical of legalistic regimes led by a culture of leadership elitism, separation and privilege. Anon is the human face of the suffering and trauma that people have experienced at the hand of the still unrepentant SGM cabal, and CJ Mahaney. CJ’s post on the superbowl would be funny if it was not so pathetic. It is hard for me to understand why anyone would pay any attention to any thing that guy says or writes, let alone continue to be a part of anything he is associated with and support it with finances. It is staggering.

    Straining at gnats, swallowing camels.

    Always a sign of a self-righteous religionist.

  7. James says:

    I counted 14 uses of the words, “I” and “Me/my” and 3 uses of the word, “God”. 1 quote from an athelete, and 1 quote from a theologian. No Scripture anywhere. That is one of my biggest issues with SGM.

  8. Bridget says:

    Anon –

    I am really sorry for what happened to you. It is very sad and dispicable that you had to go through any of that at all. I hope and pray that you have been able to recover from that assault and have found help in dealing with the trauma. If you are able, it would be good for you to tell your story to the lawyers in the current lawsuit. I’m sure Kris can get you the contact information. I pray for peace and healing in your life.

  9. Square Peg says:

    That is such a heart-breaking story. Notice how there is nothing in CJ’s rules about keeping an eye on the children’s whereabouts and safety.

    A story like this makes me all the more aware of how much I need to keep the radar up since I work with children.

    It also makes me all the more aware of what I need to be mindful of if I were to host an event or party with lots of people. One can never be too careful.

    This is just terrible.

    I do know…that I worked in children’s ministry at my SGM church from about 2005-ish until about 2011. In that time, when children needed to go to the restroom, they were to go in alone after there was certainty there was no one in the restroom. This is a good practice. Also, there needed to be two adults present until all children were picked up. I always thought these were good policies, and therefore approved that SG has policies like these in place. Did they come about AFTER things happened with children?

  10. Nat W. Clerk says:

    Earlier today, Brent posted the following on Facebook:

    “Three more churches have just severed ties with SGM.

    Allen Snapp – Grace Community Church, Corning, NY
    Gareth Lloyd – Sovereign Grace Church, Merthyr Tydfil, Wales
    John Feska – Sovereign Grace Church, Aurora, IL”

    These churches are still listed on the SGM website, but if Brent is correct, then they should be removed soon.

    – Nat

  11. Moniker says:

    “Straining at gnats, swallowing camels. Always a sign of a self-righteous religionist.” Thanks for your comment, Stephen Crosby. (#6) By the way, I really like your blog and highly recommend it to everyone here.

  12. QE2 says:

    Square Peg #9
    I know in Fairfax all of a sudden we had all these policies put into place-a computer to sign the kids in that printed a nametag for the child and one for the parent-no one could pick a child up without the nametag, hall monitors, bathroom monitors, etc.

    No official reason was given, but the man in charge made a comment once about how you would not believe the things that go on and there are lots of lawsuits against churches or something to that effect. It was also mentioned that there was a custody thing at CLC maybe? where a non custodial parent took a kid from the class or something like that.

    It was only after reading this blog years after that I realized it was in response to Noel’s daughter’s molestation.

  13. Cult Watcher says:

    C.J. blogs about sports, but he doesn’t blog about molestation. Hmm.

  14. Steve240 says:

    Anom I am also sorry to hear your story and for what it has done to you. It is sad to hear another SGM story of a child being molested. Anon didn’t indicate this so am not sure if it was an older child (under 18) that did this to her or an adult.

    Sadly, it isn’t surprising that there is another report of this happening. There is an old saying that for every rat you catch that many more weren’t caught. I wonder how many more cases are like this.

    In some ways it really isn’t surprising. When you have a group where people are taught not to question (especially leadership), beaten down by their sinfulness, have the arrogance that their group is a better than others, and children are supposed to have unquestioning obedience can all set up a group for this to happen. Also, if you never admit that this has happened in your churches when it has in fact happened, people get this false sense that this doesn’t happen here.

  15. Marie says:

    Anon, I am truly sorry for what you have been through. I feel ill that no one was there to stand up for you, and that the culture was such that you would not have stood much chance to provide your side of the story, stand up for yourself, and tell an adult what had happened that day. I hope you did not have to see the perp much after that. I also wanted to echo Bridget #8’s post about hopes that you have gotten help and healing for your trauma, and that you could contact the lawyers.

    I realize I cannot do anything for you to bring back the innocence of your childhood. Truly hoping and praying for you as you have had to carry a great deal of responsibility that no child should have to take on – the reprehensible sin of another person. You did not deserve what happened to you, it was not your fault in any way.

  16. just saying... says:

    Anon,
    Nobody has the right to ever sexually assault you. Ever. You should press charges. Anyone who things they can violate someone that way, may be doing it again.

    I’m so sorry you experienced that. Because it happened at a party with church people, please don’t ever think God approved of that. A wicked person did that.

  17. Never Again says:

    Anon, I am truly sorry for what you went through. You should have been safe and protected. I hope you have been able to get counseling, and I pray you find healing and wholeness.

    Stephen Crosby, I recently stumbled upon your webpage of teaching links and started listening. Thank you.

    Thanks, Nat, for the report. Wales and Corning, NY, had been reported to be leaving, but I guess it is official now. Not surprised about Aurora, IL, either. Wasn’t their founding pastor Tab Trainor? He went to San Diego East County to pastor a new SGM church plant there, but I guess by the time it actually opened, they had already decided not to be part of SGM.

    I wonder what further blows are coming to SGM.

  18. MAK says:

    from Never Again #17…”I wonder what further blows are coming to SGM”

    I’ve been pondering whether SGM actually see churches leaving as “blows”. In their deception, I’m beginning to believe that they see churches leaving as strengthening SGM. By churches leaving, they are ridding SGM of discent, gossip and slander. That way the remaining churches can go back to drinking from the big cauldron of Kool-Aid that they all know and love. I’m sure we’ll hear more from the other churches blogging on the SGM website expounding on how great SGM is. It’s their version of running away with their fingers in their ears and making noise so they can’t hear what the rest of the world is saying.

  19. MAK says:

    Nat #10

    Jenn Grover reported the Corning NY departure. I have specific confirmation on the other two so they should fall off the list soon.

  20. Square Peg says:

    QE2 #12 ~ Thanks for sharing! Little did I know that they were “good” policies put in place for a situation that happened at SGM that was not dealt with properly. It would be one thing if it was handled properly…and then the policies were put into place. I thought they were policies because of situations at “other” churches. And therefore, it was all a precaution.

    I feel so uncertain about being a part of a church these days. They can all look “good” on the surface. You never know what is going on in the underbelly.

  21. Cult Watcher says:

    This is from the website of one of the Louisville TV stations.

    http://www.whas11.com/news/national/186953891.html

  22. Sick with Worry says:

    Mak, #17…. You are correct in some ways. I am sure that they do not “wish” for churches to leave, but, organizationally, I think they know that they need to get through this. Right now, it probably stinks to be SGM. But, they need to have visibility to what the future looks like. Knowing the new reality and planning around it is probably more important to them than the actual size.

    Once they get over the lawsuits and the polity, no matter how many churches leave and how many members leave churches…. They will know that they hit bottom. It is similar to bad news hitting the economy. You get to the point that you do not care as much about how bad it is, you just want all the bad news baked into your forecast so you can go about planning for the recovery.

    I know that they are thinking this way, and I posted it before. Perhaps Kris can dig up my older post.

    BTW, Tim Shorey should be a full time pastor, not an SGM employee. I am sad to see this.

  23. Diego says:

    All bleeding stops eventually. Question is, does God intervene and surgically fix the ministry, or does He let churches and people leave and bleed out until this work of man is dead…

  24. LetMyPeopleGo says:

    Anon,
    I am so sorry to hear of your story. It broke my heart to read it because I know from personal experience the psychological harm that comes from even just one assault. To be violated in such a way damages our very psyche, our very mind, in a way that I still cannot believe is possible. The Holy Spirit has healed my mind greatly in recent years in ways that I didn’t even know needed healing. I sincerely pray the same for you. God bless you.

  25. Never Again says:

    Though they seem to live in unreality, I suspect C.J. has an exit strategy. He will find a way to land on his feet through his strategic alliances with the RBD, even if he has to throw everybody else under the bus to do so.

    Right now they are putting a good face on things for the sake of PR. Their plan seems to be to admit nothing and try legal maneuvers to keep a lid on things, whether that is claiming clergy privilege or maybe citing the loopholes in state reporting laws or perhaps petitioning for the suits be broken up and tried individually instead of as a class, or mitigating damages by attacking the witnesses, etc., etc., etc. It looks like they will fight dirty and drag this out.

    However, depending on how probing the lawsuit gets and what is found in discovery and how their assessment of how the case is going, I think the guys at the top will blameshift and offer up the other defendants as scapegoats to spare themselves. Last of all, C.J. will sacrifice Riccuci and Loftness.

    I just keep picturing the scenes from Clear and Present Danger when the President denies, blameshifts, and covers up his guilt:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7tGEEWQIhQ

    And the clip left out his part:

    The President: [on who gets punished for 'Reciprocity'] You’ll take the blame. Cutter and Ritter will take some too, but it won’t amount to much. They’ll get a slap on the wrist and $20,000 an hour on the lecture circuit. The rest, you’ll dump on Greer. Yes, you’ll take him down with you. You’ll *destroy* his reputation. But it won’t go any further than that. It’s the ol’ Potomac two-step, Jack.

    Jack Ryan: I’m sorry, Mr. President, I don’t dance.

  26. Marie says:

    Cult Watcher #21, did you see this recent article?
    http://www.whas11.com/news/national/189663831.html

    Fascinating quotes….

    Police interviewed a co-pastor at the church who recalled having confronted Morales about the allegations. That pastor, Ernest Boisvert, told police that “normally the church would appeal to the person to stop his criminal behavior and then, should it not stop, they would alert people that the person is not acting in a Christian manner. The person would need to show contrition,” according to a police report filed in the case. Boisvert said that going to the police was in the “realm of possibilities,” but that he took his cues from the families, the police report says.

    Another pastor, Grant Layman, said he had communicated with Morales several years ago and that Morales had admitted to past abuses, but also said he was very ill and could not recall the specifics of anything that occurred.

    Too ill to recount what happened? Ask a sexual predator to stop, and wait for him to do so? Someone is not in reality!!!

  27. Marie says:

    Another quote in that article I just mentioned:

    Nathaniel Morales, who had been working as a pastor in Nevada, is accused in an indictment of sexually abusing the boys between 1985 and 1990 as a member of Covenant Life Church in Gaithersburg, Md. That church until December was associated with Sovereign Grace Ministries, a Kentucky-based evangelical church group accused in a lawsuit in Maryland last fall of covering up allegations of child sex abuse by its members. The lawsuit was amended last month to name Covenant Life Church as a defendant.

    I realize that these are separate cases, I think that was discussed already, but it appears the pastors are a little cavalier in their quotes…..Reporting to the police was in the realm of possibility, but they took their cues from families? Which families? Which cues?

  28. Marie says:

    Ok I will stop on this story….but who is/was Ernest Boisvert??? Did the newspaper article mean Robin Boisvert? So confused!

  29. Stunned says:

    Marie, #26- those quotes are soooo messed up!

  30. MAK says:

    Marie, Ernest/Robin Boisvert are one and the same. His real first name is Ernest but he goes by Robin (whether that’s his middle name I don’t know).

  31. Bookhead says:

    Marie-#26- I checked the article, and it didn’t have the quotes you mentioned. And the time posted was 2:01 PM. Was it changed, do you think?

  32. Moniker says:

    Bookhead – I saw the quotes that Marie posted, and I just looked, and that whole section is gone from the article!

  33. Nickname says:

    Anon, I am heartbroken to hear about what happened to you.

    Early this morning, I posted the following on the previous thread — regarding our PDI church Super Bowl parties and a perpetrator. I am copying it here in case this information will be helpful to anyone who is unwittingly being befriended by a perp.

    February 4th, 2013 at 5:16 am
    In the early days when our PDI church met in rented spaces, a guy took it upon himself to rent a big-screen TV and set it up in a community center for a church Super Bowl party. The church itself did not host the party, but most members came, and it evolved into a yearly affair with a chili contest. If they censored commercials, I don’t remember, but that was before things went way-out-weird.

    To underscore the posts referencing pedophilia [in the previous thread, “From 2008…”} (#24 and #57), I want to point out that the person who rented the big-screen tv and organized the Super Bowl parties later went to prison for 20 for molestation of a church child — he was due for release last week.

    What we didn’t know in the time before internet searches and sex offender registries was that this guy had already spent 8 years behind bars for previous offenses committed when he was a public school teacher and coach. Church officials assured us at the time of his arrest (and as late as last year) that they did NOT know about his prior convictions. However, other statements and actions lead me to believe that they did, in fact, know or suspect something, whether they knew the entire facts of this guy’s history or not. Regardless, he was/is a master manipulator. He has the ability to appear genuine — the lovable teddy-bear kind of guy — can spout Bible verses by the chapter, has a good sense of humor & a bright intellect, and is generous with his time and many talents.

    It’s easier now to find repeat offenders; but the first-time offenders or the never-caught offenders are out there, finding their way into favored positions in churches and other organizations, building close friendships with parents, gaining unfettered access to children.

    Pay attention to the red flags that go up in your mind or your gut — don’t dismiss them, as I did, just because Joe Blow says he’s a Christian. If he fits the mold of an older single guy who loves children and spends more time with youth or kids than he does with people his own age — be wary. If there are holes in his history; if his extended family seems to be distant or estranged; if he sometimes slips and uses jargon that might be construed as prison lingo; if he doesn’t want to be introduced to women his own age; if he tells you the story of a ‘friend’ who had a sexual deviance problem but God healed him; if he makes strange excuses for why he didn’t vote, or why he can’t be an official Sunday school teacher; if he works in a job that is far below his education level — be wary — there’s a reason for all that. He’ll avoid taking any position in the church that requires a background check, so he’ll volunteer to ‘help out’ with youth or sports teams under the radar, because he’s prohibited by the courts from being a school teacher or coach. His extended family lives in another state and wants nothing to do with him, but in SGM, many people live far from their extended families and have replaced those relationships with church friends, so that one may be difficult to see. He can’t vote because he’s a convicted felon. He can’t pass the background check for a professional job that meets his education level.

    Check out the sex offender registry. Even if his name doesn’t appear, even if he appears to be authentic and genuine in every way, do not let your guard down — do not break any of your own rules about allowing access to your children. It may be much more inconvenient to follow rules when you think someone is completely trustworthy, but it is far better to be inconvenienced than to suffer the molestation of a child.

    My own kids were not molested. However, their innocence was stolen by this perp — think of having to ‘draw your kids out’ about this very real crime — and our outrage at what was done to his innocent victims and our heartbreak for them is as strong today as it was 20 years ago. Statistics indicate that this guy had many more victims that are still unknown. He was a master at hiding things, a master at gaining trust, a master at lying and telling half-truths, a master at spin.

    So — has the Ceej ever blogged about how to draw out your kids when you’ve found out there was a molestation in your midst? Has he taught about how to keep your kids safe from pedophiles? Did he give the remote control to anyone when we had to sit through a ‘family meeting’ that explained the pedophilic molestation of a church child by a church member?

    Bet not. But the reality of pedophilia in churches (SGMs or otherwise) is a far worse and more real threat than Superbowl commercials. Pointing out the character flaws in sports figures, indeed — just another way of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

  34. Marie says:

    Ok….I did a search on SGM, because the link that was first posted did not seem to work. Three links came back, one of them about the N. Morales case.

    Here is an attempt to copy-paste the article:

    National News

    Md. church member accused of molestation in 1980s
    .

    Associated Press

    Posted on February 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A Las Vegas man has been charged in Maryland with molesting multiple boys in the 1980s while assisting with youth ministries at a church targeted in a child sex abuse lawsuit.

    Nathaniel Morales, who had been working as a pastor in Nevada, is accused in an indictment of sexually abusing the boys between 1985 and 1990 as a member of Covenant Life Church in Gaithersburg, Md. That church until December was associated with Sovereign Grace Ministries, a Kentucky-based evangelical church group accused in a lawsuit in Maryland last fall of covering up allegations of child sex abuse by its members. The lawsuit was amended last month to name Covenant Life Church as a defendant.

    Morales, 55, is charged with ten counts of either sex abuse and sex offense. He was scheduled for a pretrial hearing on Friday in Montgomery County Circuit Court. His lawyer did not immediately return calls seeking comment and a telephone listing for Morales could not be found.

    The criminal investigation began in 2009 when a man reported to police that he was sexually abused by Morales, who helped with youth ministries and also taught at a Christian school, when he was between the ages of 12 and 20. The man told police that his parents had spoken to the church pastor but that no police report was made. Four other men interviewed by police said they had been sexually abused by Morales as boys — sometimes in their own bedrooms or inside Morales’s apartment or his office at the Christian school where he taught. The Associated Press generally does not identify people who say they are victims of sexual assault.

    Police interviewed a co-pastor at the church who recalled having confronted Morales about the allegations. That pastor, Ernest Boisvert, told police that “normally the church would appeal to the person to stop his criminal behavior and then, should it not stop, they would alert people that the person is not acting in a Christian manner. The person would need to show contrition,” according to a police report filed in the case. Boisvert said that going to the police was in the “realm of possibilities,” but that he took his cues from the families, the police report says.

    Another pastor, Grant Layman, said he had communicated with Morales several years ago and that Morales had admitted to past abuses, but also said he was very ill and could not recall the specifics of anything that occurred.

    Don Nalle, the church’s communications director, would not discuss Morales’s criminal case, deferring to a statement posted last month on the church’s website.

    “We are sickened by the thought of such abuse —sexual abuse in any form is evil and unconscionable. We are grieved by these allegations. We also recognize that we don’t have all the facts. We would encourage everyone to withhold judgment until an appropriate legal process can be completed,” the statement reads in part.

    A lawsuit filed last October accuses leaders at Sovereign Grace Ministries, a three-decade-old family of churches, of failing to report allegations of sexual abuse to the police and of shielding known sexual predators of children. Sovereign Grace Ministries moved its headquarters to Louisville last year after three decades in Maryland and has struggled in recent years with fractured leadership and criticism over its discipline methods, especially the church’s emphasis on sins, discipline and repentance.

    Susan Burke, the lawyer who brought the case, said in a statement that the “indictment supports our lawsuit’s allegations of extensive wrongdoing by Sovereign Grace Ministries and its pastors. We look forward to our day in court.”

    The church group has said the suit contains “a number of misleading allegations, as well as considerable mischaracterizations of intent.”

    Police say they’re tracking the civil lawsuit and will conduct additional investigations if new information emerges from that.

  35. Moniker says:

    Here’s the same article at another site, with the missing quotes:

    http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/crime/md-church-member-accused-of-molestation-in-1980s/nWFSG/

  36. Marie says:

    Is there an implication that Mr. Morales could have AIDs? Brings up whole other mess for victims….normally I would protect AIDs victim’s anonymity…but not for alleged sexual perp….Theseus sound like steong allegations…

  37. Diego says:

    Sovereign Grace Members.

    Reprinted from:http://www.letusreason.org/cults.htm

    Are you told not to question what is being taught because the leaders are honest and want the best for you so you must trust them. Has someone replaced your own choices in life.

    Are you told not to ask questions why anyone left, your to accept the answers the leaders give you such as: they fell into sin, they didn’t receive correction, they weren’t open or they had a bad heart and didn’t want to be disciples

    Are you told that you must be with their certain church or group to be saved and not by Jesus Christ.

    If you want to leave are you being told their is no other church that practices truth, you will go to hell.

    Are you made to feel your failures, that your performance is not up to par for the bibles standard

    Are you being rebuked for things such as the way you say hello or how you respond to being asked to do something for a leader or disciple. Do they tell you its a matter of the heart how one complies.

    Are they putting down other church’s and building themselves up. Do they sometimes use people as examples of what you are to be doing and others on what you are not to be doing.

    Do they bring attention to what they do, and ignoring others that may be doing the same things outside their church.

    Do they put down others to make themselves look better, calling themselves righteous and others unrighteous

    Do they call those who leave fall away’s and enemies, dogs returning to their own vomit, using the examples of Korah or Judas.

    Do they stop you from reading anything negative about themselves calling it spiritual pornography or recommend you not to read it for your own spiritual protection.

    Do they recommend for you to be around their people expecting you to be at all the group activities. If not you’re spirituality and dedication are questioned.

    Do they defend all that they do even though it can be harmful or wrong.

    Do they operate by humility or are they arrogant and demand you to obey if you are considering otherwise. Or is it done subtly by manipulating you into obeying by statements such as, real Christians obey their leaders or if you were following Jesus you would see what I’m saying is right. true disciples did not question Jesus.

    THINGS TO BE AWARE OF

    People telling you how talented you are and saying you can really go places. (flattery goes a long way in cults)

    An instant bonding of friendship without your knowing who they are or they really knowing you, they act as your best friend (love bombing still works).

    When you ask questions about their history or the group they are vague in their answers or avoid answering them. (not answering or postponing it makes it go away)

    Are you required to attend studies, going through the program before you are allowed to be a Christian. (this will attach you to the groups goals)

    Are they emphasizing their church and who they are, more than Christ. They teach that one can only be a Christian by joining them. (exclusive spirituality appeals to our pride and works well today)

  38. Marie says:

    The Grant Layman paragraph changes drastically (well, to me, anyway) in the Atlanta paper:

    Another pastor, Grant Layman, said he had communicated with Morales several years ago and that Morales had admitted to “alcohol abuse and homosexuality.” He said that Morales told him that he remembered having committed abuses and having confessed his past to an older pastor, but that Morales now said he was very ill and could not recall the specifics of anything that occurred.

    Confessed to an older pastor??? What did the older pastor do???

    Confessed to homosexuality and alcohol abuse? I don’t mean to imply that all homosexuals are sexual perp’s…But now Mr. Morales is very ill…This story gets scary for me…

  39. Marie says:

    Ok I am extremely upset by this and probably making little sense…Story is scary to begin with….meant to say this is EXTRA scary….and what did the older pastor do about these kinds of confessions? I guess Mr. Morales did not confess to sexually abusing anyone….Very unclear…

  40. Moniker says:

    Do you guys realize that the article that Marie posted – the one that got cut way, way down – is from a Louisville news source? What the heck??? Who’s pulling the strings there?

  41. Never Again says:

    So Susan Burke says that new victims continue to come forward, so it looks like we might expect new stories and new plaintiffs added to the civil class action lawsuit.

    And the police say they are tracking with the civil suit to see if further prosecutable criminal cases are uncovered.

    Once Morales is found guilty, his particular abuses will no longer be alleged but proven. Then it becomes only a matter of who knew what and when.

  42. Muckraker says:

    The link to that Louisville news source is now fixed with the longer version again as of 3:01 pm

    http://www.whas11.com/news/national/189663831.html

  43. Never Again says:

    This is a big deal. There is no getting around it. This is horrendous. Thank God the victims will finally be heard, and I hope having a voice and seeing justice done bring some healing for them. It is long overdue.

    As part of that justice, SGM, CLC, and Fairfax will pay all they have, and some pastors will also pay all they have and forfeit the ministry. Some (perhaps Tomzcak) may face criminal charges, as well.

    The Lord is cleaning house.

  44. keepinstep says:

    Several years ago, discussion here was about what it would take for the secular news media to begin investigating SGM. If memory serves, general agreement was that it would take some sort of sexual misbehavior – but that it appeared CJ and the pastors were squeaky-clean in that area. Indeed, CJ’s short-term admission of minor badness in 2011 emphasized that his sins were NOT sexual or financial in nature.

    Now it’s all changing, obviously – there were sexual improprieties going on, with the allegations valid enough for 2 lawsuits that news media are beginning to write about. So far, CJ has not been directly identified with either lawsuit.

    The video clip cited above is very interesting, however. In the Watergate investigation, the Democrats’ committee attorneys and staffers worked carefully in building a case against Nixon. They interviewed many low-level people, cross-referencing their statements and then interviewing additional people. All this rather boring groundwork was done, to catch “the President’s men” in lies/inaccuracies through which they could be threatened with perjury charges, and then plea-bargained so they’d share info on Nixon that they would never have shared otherwise.

    The testimony in the 2 trials will, hopefully, be picked-over by both journalists and criminal investigators, for evidence pointing to criminal acts (such as perjury or other violations), and additional people who may be indicted for criminal acts. Indictments – or threats of indictment – may yield even more interesting information to investigators. As with Nixon, the ultimate question may turn out to be “What did XXX know, and when did he know it?”

  45. Persona says:

    I found a few recent, year-old Youtube videos of Nate Morales singing and preaching as a pastor/Bishop, in a Pentacostal church. Boy did he get a royal welcome and introduction. Nate apparently took the charismatic gifts and ran with them after leaving CLC. He certainly remembers all the old worship songs he learned at CLC. He also seems perfectly healthy, with no evident memory loss issues. The prosecutors could pull up one of those videos for evidence during the trial.

    I feel really badly for the five or more victims of Nate. We probably knew all of them, since they are only a few years older than our own children.

    We were acquaintances with Nate. He had a stellar reputation at CLC and he would never have been allowed to sing at church if he did not. CJ used to call him his favorite soloist.

    It grieve me to think he was sexually molesting boys during the same time he was singing “Oh Holy Night” on stage. If you had told me he was homosexual with a drinking problem, I probably would not have believed you.

    The men who equally grieve me are Mr. Boisvert and Mr. Layman, and any other CLC pastors who covered-up up Nate’s crimes all these years. That type of behavior does not serve the children at CLC at all!

  46. Sam McGee says:

    From the article:

    Police interviewed a co-pastor at the church who recalled having confronted Morales about the allegations. That pastor, Ernest Boisvert, told police that “normally the church would appeal to the person to stop his criminal behavior and then, should it not stop, they would alert people that the person is not acting in a Christian manner. The person would need to show contrition,” according to a police report filed in the case.

    My question: When did the police interview Robin? Recently? The article says the investigation began in 2009. How long have the CLC pastors known about Nate?

  47. Fruit Flavored says:

    I have a question to all of the legal types who read and participate on this blog. It is my understanding that SGM & CLC have had a long history with Gammon and Grange. I’ve been told that Chip and his team were consulted frequently regarding all sorts of matters. So if Chip or one of his associates knew about assaults that took place, would they not be compelled to report? From what has been written above, both Robin Boisvert and Grant Layman had some idea of Mr. Morales’ history. I would guess that this kind of info would have been shared with CLC’s lawyers. I would imagine many other instances of “alleged” assaults were also discussed with the lawyers. Is there some provision in the law which exempts lawyers from reporting crimes?

    I’m also wondering how Gammon and Grange can represent both SGM and CLC in the lawsuit? Are they representing the individuals named as well or just the corporations?

    Please understand my questions are from pure ignorance of the law and legal process.

  48. Happymom says:

    Anon,

    I am so very sorry. I pray that you’ve been able to get help and find healing.

  49. Unassimilated says:

    I want to know who the older Pastor would be. Both Robin Boisvert and Grant Layman go back to 1977. I had a friend who married a woman that was first engaged to an SGM man that…turned out to be a molester. The story goes that the CLC pastors ran him out of town. This story was shared in a CG context when we were disusing
    Pastoral covering. The dates line up, and being that the story was touted internally as a success for the kingdom, the quotes do not surprise me.

    These men can not change who they have been for the past thirty years in a matter of months.