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C.J. Mahaney Steps Down As President of Sovereign Grace Ministries

The Sovereign Grace Ministries board announced today that on April 12, C.J. Mahaney will transition out of his role as president of the organization.  Here is how the SGM Plant & Build blog explains the change:

As previously announced, C.J. will transition from his role as President on April 12 at the time of the polity ratification vote. Though no longer serving in this leadership capacity, we are grateful that C.J.’s influence and partnership do not end here. We share his joy in seeing him back regularly preaching and pastoring in Sovereign Grace Church of Louisville, and we look forward to benefitting from C.J.’s continued investment in the mission of SGM through his service there and in the larger body of Christ.

 

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  1. Sick with Worry
    March 21st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    SGM’s natural disposition is to have all elders be paid. Regardless of the motivation for this, there will most likely not be “lay elders” in SGM-land. The terminology they use, “bi-vocational”, only serves to muddy the waters. I think their intent is to have part time elders that are collecting a partial salary. The Pastors’ College also presents a hurdle for lay elders. Any man that has lived a life worthy of I Timothy 3 standards is too busy to put his life on hold to attend a 9-month program. I know I cannot leave my job for nine months, or uproot my family. So, I will never be an elder in SGM land. Case closed.

    As Diamond Dave has said…. “It is a faithful narrative of a sad tale”

    FWIW…. Tim Shorey, please go home. They need you.

  2. Bridget
    March 21st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Rubicon’s Mom –

    Honestly, what your pastor shared with you is really frightening to me. He seems to be unaware of many Biblical principals. It’s possible that some pastors are afraid to NOT have SGM as their big brother. If they only have “authority” and no relationship with the people, they may see writing on the walls.

    Pastor’s College seems to have churned out mini-dictators instead of shepherds. But, then again, shepherd/pastor is a gift — not something you attain at school at all. You may attain other things at school, but love for people is not one of them. But God does give good gifts to those who ask.

  3. LetMyPeopleGo
    March 21st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Mr. Stretch #493 said……..

    “It would be my opinion SGM wants 100% Kool-Aid drinkers. The new polity statement will be accepted by the kool-aiders. Those that don’t will leave. Whoever is left in SGM will build themeselves up as before brushing off the past as persecution of the enemy.

    Always remeber in SGM minds they are the only ones who get it right. All the stuff going on is persecution to the only true church in existence today. SGM is and will always be the happiest place on earth to those that deceive themselves.”

    Amen. That is the plain, simple truth as I see it, too. I wouldn’t add a thing to what you said because it would only take away from the moment of clarity this is for me. So grateful for this community. I get freer every time I read here. Praise God. Praise God.

  4. Waters
    March 21st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Rubicon’s Mom #492:

    “The pastor says he wants our input and even took a written poll at last weeks family meeting.” — I would be interested to know how many SGM churches are taking such a poll at their family meeting. Could any others out there relay that information?
    There was such a poll taken at Grace church Frisco TX. We are of the notion that perhaps many SGM pastors are administering a yea or nay poll to weed out the dissenting voices. (As Mr Stretch wrote, “remember, in SGM minds, they are the only ones who get it right.”)

    Seeking Truth #496
    Asked about links to those effected by Gene Emmersons heavy-handed ‘training’. You can access the stories of “Esther”, her abuse under Keith Breault, Emerson, and Shank on SGM Refuge, under Archives–Jan 2009.

  5. Jenn Grover
    March 21st, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Rubicon’s Mom – Welcome and I dig the name. Did you really name your son after a Jeep? :)

    My husband and I attend SG in Fredericksburg. Our pastor is young early 30s like us. He visited our caregroup this week. I haven’t been following this whole thing much but it has become a big deal from the pulpit and family meeting. The pastor says he wants our input and even took a written poll at last weeks family meeting. Others I talk too don’t trust him. I’m not sure I feel comfortable at this point either. I don’t know why we have to rush into joining with SGM.

    I am not surprised that he distributed a poll and is attending CG’s. The Kool Aid drinking pastors want to appear different but they aren’t taking the poll or coming to your CG to listen and learn, they are coming to figure out the best way to control the situation and tell you how to think. Your pastor probably believes he is there to listen, but he has been trained to control. He believes he is right and his job is to “serve you” by controlling public thought on SGM.

    He made three points on why to join up now. He says we have 2 years to do this but if we don’t do it now his brother in law can’t go to pastor’s college this year and will be without a job come June. .

    Although I don’t want to see this man treated poorly and I know what it is like to be related to someone who has been through the whole delayed PC scenario plus other garbage, it seems there are no God-given reasons for rush his BIL to the PC. Has there been any prophetic sense at the church that God is calling them to move forward with joining SGM? Has the church prayed and fasted together over the decision? If they send this man with mixed church support the negative repercussions will last for years. SGM has abandoned a sense of called mission that used to compel them. I think it started dissipate when Larry left. No sense that God will specifically speak to us individual or corporately, just decisions made based on what men think is the best course of action. Believe me, a dose of wisdom is necessary but not at the exclusion of hearing God. James tells us what to do when we need wisdom.

    Second — He says that there is then no oversight to protect the church from the pastors.

    This is an interesting point. In it, he reveals that he willingly accepts the continued heavy-handed authoritarian reign the SGM extra local leaders have exerted. However, is that really Paul describes his role of extra-local support? Do you get a sense that Paul saw his primary role to protect the congregations from their pastors? If that is the primary role of SGM in your church’s life, it can easily be remedied, with less bureaucracy, by establishing a local governing board of lay elders.

    Pastors like this tend to romanticize the ACTUAL care and support they receive from SGM. Yet, they seem terrified to functional as a church without them. Do they really think so little of God that they would continue to submit to such corruption for the sake of the appearance of someone above them with more authority?

    Third — He feels he can influence the direction of SGM better from the inside rather than sitting on the sideline.

    That is absolute rubbish. Does your pastor think he is more gifted than Larry, Che Ahn, Brent, Dave, and countless others who have been ignored and cast aside? Did they make a difference? How has he influenced SGM to this point? How has he spoken out? What types of things does he hope to influence? Has he admitted that there are things in SGM that need to change? Has he acknowledged what needs to change locally?

    None of that made any sense to me. I know of several families in the church who have been without employment for a long season and the Lord has met their needs. What specifically do we need protected from regarding our pastors. Why does our pastor feel that he has any influence with SGM if he feel that the church has no influence over him.

    Your instincts are spot on. This is part of the protect the pastor at the expense of the congregation mentality. This BIL is already considered part of the protected fold.

    I hope, that those in your church with concerns are making their concerns known to the whole church. SGM MO is typically to keep people from having an honest, open discussion where everyone can hear concerns. It is proactive damage control. I said from early on, the SGM pastors should start their own forum where they can discuss their real concerns with each other and see where the stories from SGM were not matching up. This divide and conquer strategy is what has allowed SGM to retain as many churches as it has. It drives me crazy that pastors continue to fall for this.

  6. Seeking Truth
    March 21st, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Thanks Waters!

  7. Rubicon's Mom
    March 21st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Thank you all for your comments. You have helped me but I am feeling anxious about what is going on. I know that I am not to be anxious but trust God. You have pointed me to good questions for the pastor. I want my husband to read these posts. BTW, Rubicon is not a child but a past pet and an attitude. Meaning once you commit there is no turning back. But as far as commitment, my commitment is to my family and to my Jesus. I don’t believe that I am a cool-aid drinker for any man or movement.

  8. Oswald
    March 21st, 2013 at 11:28 am

    R’s Mom — Your pastor sounds like a used car salesman trying to sell you something that even he is concerned about. What is the hurry? As someone else has already said, this needs to be bathed in prayer and fasting. God always speaks to/through those who are open to His guidance, truly seeking His will. He cannot forsake His own. Confusion is a sure sign of disharmony. God is not the author of confusion.

  9. Rubicon's Mom
    March 21st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    You are right Oswald. It does seem though that the more the pastor talks about this the more confusing it is. When he was in our caregroup he really didn’t use the Bible to support what he was saying. Our caregroup leader loves him(our pastor). He’s(cg leader) really not open to alot of questions. We ask but he kinda stays quiet about this. I think he must be somewhat confused too. Please pray that my cg leader as well as the other leaders speak up. Does anyone have links to the lawsuit?

  10. Argus
    March 21st, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Rubicon’s Mom, don’t be afraid and don’t be talked out of what your heart already knows. That pastor’s statement is blindly illogical, manipulative, and misleading (or self-deceived) on all three points.

    1. His BIL’s career prospects is a non-issue to what is best for the church. It reveals the pastor’s true allegience. He already loves SGM and has his mind made up and wants you all to sign off on it so he and his extended family can continue to live off the good of the land at your expense. He has a cushy job and wants to expand the family business. It shows he has absorbed SGM’s pastor-focused nepotism, using the members to support and finance the pastors. In typical, SGM style, the top guys already decided this without congregational choice or vote, but now he’s trying to exploit everyone’s emotions to continue with it because no one wants to be the vote that costs this guy his future. Why are there no other options, like this guy keeping the job he has or getting another job? Or, if being part of SGM is REALLY up for a vote, why be so sure this guy SHOULD go to Pastors College? If a future with SGM is in question, they should hold off. If this (undoubtedly young) BIL truly has a pastoral gift and call, a couple of years to grow up, live life, and maybe actually CARE for his brothers and sisters in the local church wouldn’t be such a bad thing. God will still be around in 2 years whether SGM is or not.

    2. No oversight to protect you from him? First, SGM hasn’t done very well at protecting members from pastors so far, and the new polity doesn’t make it any easier in reality. Second, if he had ANY respect for the believers in the congregation or ANY intention to hear them, and if the local church TRULY was permitted to function as the Body of Christ, you could send this guy packing without outsiders for supposedly ‘higher’ authority. That reveals how off-base his thinking already is about the church.

    3. Him influencing SGM? What would he hope to change — he is already a hardcore Koolaid drinker! What a joke. He has no power, since SGM power flows from the top down. His only route to influence is to climb to the top — but maybe that is what he really means and wants anyway.

    Leaving SGM only seems hard and scary from the inside. From the outside looking back, it’s a no-brainer and very liberating. SGM is subtly fear-based, afraid of the big bad nasty world out there, but really, it’s a joy to be out.

  11. Persona
    March 21st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Rubicons’ Mom, one sales pitch technique often used by salesmen is to tell people there is a ‘limited time only’ clause in the deal.

    I find it outrageous that your pastor would dare ask the church to put their future on the line, to enable his b-i-l could attend the PC/SBTS. Where is their faith?

    God is big enough to open the door for his b-i-l to attend a seminary or provide for his family in other ways. He doesn’t need hundreds of people sacrificing their souls to do so.

    Goodness! By voting against this ploy, the church could actually save this man from a terrible fate. I only hope the rest of your church are thinkers like yourself.

    Truth is, at CLC, I found that the women of the church were far ahead of the men, in recognizing falsehood.

    I guess you could say this is another ingenious ploy of Mahaney. He did a superb job in silencing women and keeping them out of leadership positions.

  12. Enjoying Freedom
    March 21st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Is anyone else concerned that SGM is apparently using the delay of signing of membership as leverage to send someone to PC? Manipulation right there. But I would more concerned that the FIRST point the pastor uses is a guilt trip on you about his BIL.

    side note – not going to PC will be the best $45k that the BIL never spent. btw to the BIL: many actually accredited seminaries with actual degrees that cost less than half that… just saying #discernment #SGMsnowjob #theseguyshavenocluewhatthearedoing #RUN!

  13. Rubicon's Mom
    March 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Persona-AMEN sista!

  14. Balaam's Donkey
    March 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Rubicon’s Mom,
    The bible teaches that it is the church that protects the congregation from errant pastors. Pastors are ultimately accountable to the church/ the flock/ the people/ the body of Christ. This biblical principle is one SGM refuses to acknowledge and why God continues to correct them. What an insult to the church, to suggest they do not have the spiritual maturity, gifting, or discernment to know right from wrong, make sound judgements, and monitor/protect itself as the body of Christ. This is an example of the arrogance that has been propagated from the top down in SGM. May God open your eyes to see what is going on.

  15. 28 years gone...
    March 21st, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Jenn – 505 your comment was so true:

    Third — He feels he can influence the direction of SGM better from the inside rather than sitting on the sideline.

    I know Al Pino from Miami who was/is on the board-du-jour now. I was given this same reason as to why he is on the board. I was told he was not lock step with CJ and his ruling family. So far, not much fruit from that move, CJ continued to walk all over the board…

    Good thought. If Larry, Brent, Che Ahn, and let’s not forget, Todd Twinning from MLC, plus all the other 100 pastors, and “ordinary” folks who tried to “right the ship” with no influence – the ship is does not want to be righted.

  16. Stunned
    March 21st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Kris, I am posting this so that parents can talk with their kids and get them help if they need it and so that any other possible victims can know they are not alone and come forward. Please know I take NO delight in this.

    When we found out that my father sexually molested a young relative of ours, we put the news in the church bulletin so that any other victims could come forward and get the help they need. We, also, let the news get out to the public, for the same reason. Again, I take no delight in sharing this news but care that all parents who knew this person, talk to their kids about this. Oftentimes kids can’t talk to their parents about being abused and will deny it, so if your child had any contact with this woman, I BEG you to take your child, as non-chalantly as you can, to a professional who can find out if your child was hurt and then help you to care for your child. There are experts out there who have years of experience. It was with the help of a caring Christian therapist that our family got through, both as victims and perpetrators. (Wow, there’s a sentence you never think you’re going to utter in your lifetime.)

    A 28 year old woman, Sarah Adleta, supposedly grew up in Sovereign Grace’s Metro Life Church, Orlando, before it was Danny Jones’ church and now it is Aron Osborne’s church. She was very good with children and according to sources, babysat for tons of families in that church. This past Friday, Sarah Adleta was arrested for both having sex with children and for taping these acts and sending them to a man in North Carolina. This man has, also, been arrested for having sex with a child.

    Sarah Adleta was known in the church as someone who would offer to babysit for many. Her neighbor also said that Sarah would offer to sit, but this woman said she listened to her gut and refused to let Sarah watch her kids.

    Please, gird yourself up before continuing to read this post. If you are not meant to read any more trauma today, I ask you to wait. I am not trying to ruin anyone’s day but to have children protected or helped to possible healing.

    Here is the article from the Orlando Sentinel but it can be found in a variety of news outlets:

    Federal authorities said an Oviedo woman has been sexually abusing children, recording the acts, and producing child pornography from the incidents.

    Sarah Adleta, 28, was arrested by the FBI on Friday morning on three child pornography charges. She subsequently made her first appearance in Orlando federal court and will remain jailed until a bond hearing next week.

    According to a criminal complaint, the FBI learned this week Adleta may have sent images of herself and multiple children to Aaron Dixon, a North Carolina man who was recently arrested on charges of having sex with a child.

    When agents met with Adleta on Friday, she said that about one year ago, she began taking nude photographs of herself and a child and sent them to Dixon, the criminal complaint said.

    Adleta said she performed sex acts on the child while using the video-conference program Skype and Dixon watched, the complaint said. On one occasion, Adleta gave the child rum, the woman told agents.

    The criminal complaint said Adleta, a student at the University of Central Florida, also admitted to sexually abusing another child.

    She used Skype, email and her cell phone to transmit images of the sex acts, authorities said. Agents who reviewed Adleta’s computer said they found child pornography on the device.

    Back to Stunned now:
    Obviously, given my own experiences, my heart goes out to each of the victims. This is not a trite thing for me to say. I was sexually abused as a child and I have stood up in court on behalf of a sex abuse victim.

    My heart also goes out Sarah Adleta’s family. If any of you ever want to contact me, please feel free to do so. It’s certainly not a club you want to be a part of- having a relative who has done this- but I want you to know that you are not the only ones who this happened to. My father was a lovely Christian man. He preached the gospel my entire life. He loved us all and was BY FAR the most honest man I or anyone else had ever met. He was truly the good man at home whom people thought he was in public. I know you must be reeling right now. If you need to reach me, let me know here and I can post my email address, or let Kris know. It’s OK if you don’t do so now but may need to later on. It’s not an easy season you are entering. I hope people will love on you and recognize that you are not responsible for the behavior of another adult. Ever. I am, also, praying for your daughter whom you must love so dearly.

    But primarily. this post is for anyone who knew Sarah. Please, please get any children who had any contact with her to a specialist who can help you determine if anything ever happened to your child. I know it will make you nearly vomit to even think of such a thing. But your child may need you to do this much more than you know. Please, take it slow and be as non-chalant as you can possibly be. They don’t need to know why they are chatting with this adult. If your child sees any pain or disgust in your face, they will most likely think THEY did something to upset you and may close down.

    I am praying for you all.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-03-15/news/os-oviedo-mother-children-porn-20130315_1_oviedo-woman-criminal-complaint-child

  17. Stunned
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Kris, I am wondering if you want to make the above news its own thread so the news doesn’t get lost in the weeds and so that parents and possible victims can know about it.

  18. Seth Proffitt
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Stunned: Metro Life church was always Danny Jone’s church. Before it was SGM.

  19. Seth Proffitt
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Um Kris…….looks like this woman belonged to Metro Church of Ovedio, Not Metro Life of Orlando. Metro Church is NOT part of SGM

    Do your homework Stunned.

  20. Patrick Henderson
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I attend Metro Life church, and I think there is a bit of confusion. I don’t think this woman attended our church. There is another church about 7 or 8 miles from Metro called Metro Church. It is in the town of Oviedo. Metro Life is in Casselberry. They are not related. Also Danny Jones has always been the Senior Pastor of Metro, until Aron Osborne took over 2 years ago. So there wasn’t a “time before Danny Jones was pastor”. I think this is a case of unfortunately named churches in the same general area.

  21. SMP
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Nope! This girl definately attended Metro Life Church since a child. There is no church name mishap here. Metro is know for covering up other sexual abuse cases. Just ask Sara’s dad. Danny Jones, Wayne Brooks, Benny Phillips and Mike Nash were all pastors there when Sara was there. You are relatively new to Metro, Patrick…only a few years. Sara is quiet and easily missed. Ask around. It’s definately Sovereign Grace.

    That said. I am sick.

  22. Patrick Henderson
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    I correct my last statement, Metro Church (not Metro Life Church) is in Winter Springs, not Oviedo. Winter Springs is right next to Oviedo.

  23. Stunned
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Patrick, my source confirmed for me twice that Sarah was a part of that church at one time and that she often babysat in that church. Maybe my source was wrong? I was told that Sarah may have been part of the church plant (the one that was marginally supported by SGM a couple of years ago) but my source couldn’t confirm for sure. Maybe someone else can?

    As to Danny Jones, I guess I was awkward but I was saying it was the church which Danny formerly led and is now led by Aron.

  24. Truth be Told
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    The news clip said she was homeschooled and very religious.

    http://m.clickorlando.com/news/Woman-28-accused-of-making-child-pornography/-/16721250/19342176/-/58rfhj/-/index.html

    What is the matter with these men? Do they not SEE the fruit of their labor?

  25. Patrick Henderson
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    SMP: I am going to make sure tonight. I will get back here and post my findings.

  26. Patrick Henderson
    March 21st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Never mind, I just saw the news link from Stunned, and I recognize her. Please ignore my previous statements. I did not recognize her last name.

  27. SMP
    March 21st, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Thank you Patrick. Her last name used to be Lippy. Can you confirm that she STILL attends there? Have the pastors said anything to the congregation??

  28. Seth Proffitt
    March 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Now that makes sense. You were bluring the two pieces of info. Now that we have a correct version….

  29. Patrick Henderson
    March 21st, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    No she does not still attend Metro. She hasn’t for many years. No announcement.

  30. SMP
    March 21st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Patrick,
    What about her dad whom she lives with? I heard he was still there. Or maybe it was the Lake Nona church that Stunned was referencing?

  31. Stunned
    March 21st, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Patrick, I understand. Anyone could make a mistake. Heck, I wish I were wrong and this never even happened.

    Again, if anyone had a child who ever encountered Sarah Lippy Adleta whether it was at Metro Life Church in Casselberry, FL or possibly at the Redeemer Church in Lake Nona, FL or in her neighborhood or at any other church or setting, please, seek help.

    Again, praying for all sexual abuse victims in and out of Sovereign Grace Ministries tonight.

  32. Steve240
    March 21st, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Rubicon’s Mom

    One contradiction in logic that I see with your Fredericksburg pastor saying that SGM would offer some type of oversight to protect church members from their pastor is what happened at Kingsway (Richmond VA) SGM Church.

    When it was exposed that Gene Emerson had withheld the truth for a long time about another leader (basically lied) Dave Harvey came down and gave his infamaous message tot he congregation. Harvey claimed he had no power over this local SGM Church and that it was elder ruled. Harvey also talked about the “Tyranny of the Aggrieved.”

    Thus what kind of protection can SGM really offer if this is the case? Why is this pastor saying this especially when came from and was aware of that situation including SGM Leadership basically “wiping their hands” of the situation?

    Maybe things will be different with the rules if a church decides to remain part of SGM but at least in the Richmond case Harvey claimed he had no power.

  33. wantingjustice
    March 21st, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Great article on true leadership-http://thomrainer.com/2013/03/20/real-leaders-apologize/#.UUugM5rD9eu
    Real leaders apologize, esp. humble leaders.

  34. SMP
    March 21st, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Stunned @528 I really appreciate what you are saying here because even if Sarah Lippy Adleta isn’t at Metro any more, she WAS around children both in ministry as well as babysitter. I do not know who on the blog is from that area but clearly there needs to be a cry out to the parents to investigate what their children have been exposed to. Please don’t turn a blind eye just because Sarah isn’t at that church anymore. The children she HAD SEX with are from SOMEWHERE. Please get some help and ask questions from your leaders.

  35. Nickname
    March 21st, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Steve 240 — were you ever a part of the Richmond church?

  36. Stunned
    March 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Seth, my homework was done. She was a part of Metro Life Church for many years.

    There was absolutely no blurring.

    I never said that Metro Life was SGM’s before it was Danny’s.

  37. Waters
    March 21st, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Stunned,

    I love your heart for the wounded; and that you are willing to share personal testimony – from both the perspective of a victim, and as a family member of a perpetrator. Your genuinely caring sensitivity for all concerned…. is love in action.

    Joining you in praying, tonight, for those who have been sexually abused. ~Waters

  38. Steve240
    March 21st, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Steve 240 — were you ever a part of the Richmond church?

    No. I listened to Harvey’s message he gave to Richmond. In that message he claimed to have no authority. Also other comments here and Refuge.

  39. KWIM
    March 22nd, 2013 at 1:01 am

    Rubicons mom
    So your pastor thinks he can change SGM. Why does he think this? Honestly. SGM was born out of CLC. CJ raised his family there. It was the ‘dearest place on Earth’. I can’t even begin to tell you all the relations that are/were within SGM/CLC. Heck look at Josh, his protege, was unable to make ANY changes. I’m just curious what your pastor is smoking? It’s got to be some good stuff

  40. Remnant
    March 22nd, 2013 at 3:56 am

    Rubicon’s mom, I wonder how your pastor would answer the question, “Pastor, what, in your opinion, needs changed at SGM?”

    I’m not sure if you want to engage him at this point, or even if you ought to attempt to engage him, but it sure would be interesting to find out if he would participate in that conversation and if he would vocalize his opinion on the weaknesses that he perceives need changed. SGM pastors have historically avoided talking to the sheep about SGM’s problems …. Problems? What problems? All problems are in your imagination and if you won’t agree to ignore the man behind the curtain, you will be disfellowshipped.

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