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		<title>By: musicman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis-

You are brave-please hang in there, I think you did the right thing.</description>
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<p>You are brave-please hang in there, I think you did the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Moving On :: On The Other Hand, by Travis Seitler</title>
		<link>http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=33&#038;cpage=6#comment-2591</link>
		<dc:creator>Moving On :: On The Other Hand, by Travis Seitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] met with a general unwillingness to discuss my questions and concerns; rather, the conversation was continually focused on challenging my lack of trust in and respect for them. They couldn&#8217;t understand how my trust was largely dependent on their actions and approaches [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] met with a general unwillingness to discuss my questions and concerns; rather, the conversation was continually focused on challenging my lack of trust in and respect for them. They couldn&#8217;t understand how my trust was largely dependent on their actions and approaches [...]</p>
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		<title>By: exinternsmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>exinternsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks....and fwiw, I agree w/you about being more careful in sharing specifics...we need to keep it more general.

I have been reading through some of the previous posts, as time allows....re: accountability, I just want to say that in general, accountability can be a very positive, uplifting way of encouraging each other to follow Jesus closely.  But .......in our SGM church, accountability was really a smokescreen for the free for all, face to face bashing that took place.  Everyone was taught to point out sin in others, regardless of age, position, or even whether or not you actually KNEW a person.  For example, a kid &#039;felt led&#039; to point out a sin to me....he was young enough to be my son, he was rude, patronizing, disrespectful--wrong about what he thought he &#039;saw&#039; as sin AND he hardly knew me.  When I tried to have a discussion with him about it, he shouted over me and told me I needed to get right w/God and w/the leadership.  That is NOT accountability!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8230;.and fwiw, I agree w/you about being more careful in sharing specifics&#8230;we need to keep it more general.</p>
<p>I have been reading through some of the previous posts, as time allows&#8230;.re: accountability, I just want to say that in general, accountability can be a very positive, uplifting way of encouraging each other to follow Jesus closely.  But &#8230;&#8230;.in our SGM church, accountability was really a smokescreen for the free for all, face to face bashing that took place.  Everyone was taught to point out sin in others, regardless of age, position, or even whether or not you actually KNEW a person.  For example, a kid &#8216;felt led&#8217; to point out a sin to me&#8230;.he was young enough to be my son, he was rude, patronizing, disrespectful&#8211;wrong about what he thought he &#8216;saw&#8217; as sin AND he hardly knew me.  When I tried to have a discussion with him about it, he shouted over me and told me I needed to get right w/God and w/the leadership.  That is NOT accountability!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see what Blacklisted and exinternsmom are getting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see what Blacklisted and exinternsmom are getting at.</p>
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		<title>By: exinternsmom</title>
		<link>http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=33&#038;cpage=6#comment-2589</link>
		<dc:creator>exinternsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All, I am also mom to Blacklisted :-)  Kris, I think I can say that we agree w/you re: someone not being penalized for what their adult children do, but I think what has been so upsetting re: the overseer&#039;s child is not that he was not held responsible for his adult child&#039;s actions, but that the &#039;discipline&#039; in SGM is not equally applied.  Others have been disfellowshipped for similar or less sinful engagements, but not this kiddo.  Justice is not meted out equally...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All, I am also mom to Blacklisted :-)  Kris, I think I can say that we agree w/you re: someone not being penalized for what their adult children do, but I think what has been so upsetting re: the overseer&#8217;s child is not that he was not held responsible for his adult child&#8217;s actions, but that the &#8216;discipline&#8217; in SGM is not equally applied.  Others have been disfellowshipped for similar or less sinful engagements, but not this kiddo.  Justice is not meted out equally&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Blacklisted, and Claireon...

This is one of those times when I feel like I have to be a darn pesky censor.  While I believe it is appropriate to discuss in general terms situations that arise where injustices might have taken place, I feel like the specifics of these situations (such as the one we&#039;re talking about right now) are veering a little too close to gossip for my comfort.  That&#039;s why I edited the comments (mine and &quot;Blacklisted&#039;s&quot;) for mentions of the state where this took place and the details of the particular sinful situation.

I hope everyone understands.  Sometimes I&#039;m not even sure myself where to draw the line.  I just have to go by my conscience.  I&#039;d appreciate your prayers for wisdom to know when to step in and when to sit back.

Thanks!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Blacklisted, and Claireon&#8230;</p>
<p>This is one of those times when I feel like I have to be a darn pesky censor.  While I believe it is appropriate to discuss in general terms situations that arise where injustices might have taken place, I feel like the specifics of these situations (such as the one we&#8217;re talking about right now) are veering a little too close to gossip for my comfort.  That&#8217;s why I edited the comments (mine and &#8220;Blacklisted&#8217;s&#8221;) for mentions of the state where this took place and the details of the particular sinful situation.</p>
<p>I hope everyone understands.  Sometimes I&#8217;m not even sure myself where to draw the line.  I just have to go by my conscience.  I&#8217;d appreciate your prayers for wisdom to know when to step in and when to sit back.</p>
<p>Thanks!  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: claireon</title>
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		<dc:creator>claireon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Blacklisted,

This is the first I&#039;ve heard of the situation you mentioned. How long ago did this all come out, do you know? What was the &quot;word on the street&quot;? Do you have any more information? Do you know if an official statement has been issued about the situation or anything thing like that? Considering what a high priority SGM places on children as evidence of effective parenting and leadership skills, I&#039;m very surprised that the leader you mentioned hasn&#039;t been sent to the SGM Rehab Center in Gaithersburg, Maryland for a full evaluation. Very intriguing.

Also, I know what you mean about SGM missions. It seems their idea of missions is to plant churches and I don&#039;t see much money being used to support community and/or missionary work outside of SGM - unless someone sits on the board of a particular organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blacklisted,</p>
<p>This is the first I&#8217;ve heard of the situation you mentioned. How long ago did this all come out, do you know? What was the &#8220;word on the street&#8221;? Do you have any more information? Do you know if an official statement has been issued about the situation or anything thing like that? Considering what a high priority SGM places on children as evidence of effective parenting and leadership skills, I&#8217;m very surprised that the leader you mentioned hasn&#8217;t been sent to the SGM Rehab Center in Gaithersburg, Maryland for a full evaluation. Very intriguing.</p>
<p>Also, I know what you mean about SGM missions. It seems their idea of missions is to plant churches and I don&#8217;t see much money being used to support community and/or missionary work outside of SGM &#8211; unless someone sits on the board of a particular organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Blacklisted from the 727</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blacklisted from the 727</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No they did not, they hardly even acknowledged the trips at all.  Also what I&#039;ve noticed in this area SG folks think that a once a year pancake breakfest to the neighborhood that is coupled with a church garage sale (get the people in with free pancakes, sell them stuff at way higher than normal garage sale prices) as missions.  They also believe that feeding people rehearsed lines on the city bus is missions.  Missions is clothing the naked, feeding the hungry (without trying to sell them stuff), giving drink to the thirsty and sheltering those with no homes.  I have not heard once of a SG church doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No they did not, they hardly even acknowledged the trips at all.  Also what I&#8217;ve noticed in this area SG folks think that a once a year pancake breakfest to the neighborhood that is coupled with a church garage sale (get the people in with free pancakes, sell them stuff at way higher than normal garage sale prices) as missions.  They also believe that feeding people rehearsed lines on the city bus is missions.  Missions is clothing the naked, feeding the hungry (without trying to sell them stuff), giving drink to the thirsty and sheltering those with no homes.  I have not heard once of a SG church doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blacklisted,

Hi, and welcome to the site!

I don&#039;t know that anyone has ever actually brought up the specific situation you addressed in your comment about the [State Name] overseer.  While I agree with you that this situation doesn&#039;t sound appropriate (and seems quite atypical for SGM, actually), I think I&#039;d be almost MORE uncomfortable if it were standard operating procedure for an SGM overseer to be punished or penalized for the wrongdoings of his adult children.

Your point about SGM&#039;s lack of support for non-SGM missions is really too bad.  While I do know that several SG folks have come on here and stated that their churches actually DO support missions, many others have shared stories similar to yours.  Did you ever get any &quot;official&quot; feedback as to why they did not support your non-SGM trips?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blacklisted,</p>
<p>Hi, and welcome to the site!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that anyone has ever actually brought up the specific situation you addressed in your comment about the [State Name] overseer.  While I agree with you that this situation doesn&#8217;t sound appropriate (and seems quite atypical for SGM, actually), I think I&#8217;d be almost MORE uncomfortable if it were standard operating procedure for an SGM overseer to be punished or penalized for the wrongdoings of his adult children.</p>
<p>Your point about SGM&#8217;s lack of support for non-SGM missions is really too bad.  While I do know that several SG folks have come on here and stated that their churches actually DO support missions, many others have shared stories similar to yours.  Did you ever get any &#8220;official&#8221; feedback as to why they did not support your non-SGM trips?</p>
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		<title>By: Blacklisted from the 727</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blacklisted from the 727</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and Hi everyone I&#039;m new here :)</description>
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