Kerrin’s Story, part ii
June 21, 2011 in Sovereign Grace Ministries
Here is part ii of Kerrin’s story. For part i, click here.
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My Marriage
During all of this, my relationship with my wife began to deteriorate. Things I said—supposedly in confidence—made their way back to her parents and the rest of the group. My words and thoughts were often used against me (in a divisive way). There were times when I could no longer speak with my wife. It just all became too much for me mentally/emotionally, as time and time again things that I said made it back to the group, her parents, and then were used against me. Perhaps a better way of describing it was my words/thoughts were used to try and control me and my decision to try and leave/take my family elsewhere. When I confronted this behavior it was denied that it was occurring. That further alienated me and displaced my trust even more. It was a betrayal. Of course in SGMville this behavior is called “faithful” because the ends justify the means: the ends being get the person who is not conforming to conform (i.e., control them). Lies and betrayal are “faithful” because, in SGMville, this person needs to be brought back into the fold and whatever means will accomplish that end are considered “faithful.”
I challenged and questioned some of the things that came back to me via my wife, but I was never violent or abusive in any way. Sometimes my tone would have been elevated as I questioned things with passion and became irritated by what was going on. I did see that it was becoming too much for her also, so I backed off and began to think about other ways to escape the grip of CLC/SGM. I started visiting other churches (Methodist, Baptist, Episcopalian, United Church of Christ, Universalist, etc.).
A co-worker who also attends CLC asked me to go to lunch one day. He then proceeded to challenge me to keep my vows and said I needed to practice “effective communication” by bringing my wife into my world. I found out this manipulative attempt to make me talk was in collusion with Eric [Simmons], which would be prior to them “church disciplining” me. I responded with, “Name the vow were I agreed to ‘effective communication’ (whatever that is). Has anyone in your group challenged my wife to live up to her vows, namely, ‘I will forsake all others, where you go I will go, and your people will be my people’?” He said, “No.” Then I said, “You have no basis on which to bring this to me!”
During all this, my work performance began to take a toll, as I had difficulty concentrating. Later I discovered I was showing signs of PTSD, which is typical for someone who has left a cultic or high-demand group. As my work performance started to suffer I came across a book called, Take Back Your Life: Recovering From Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich (a victim of an abusive cultic group herself). Many things in this book resonated with me and many of her insights helped in identifying what I was experiencing. She encouraged someone to seek out a trauma specialist, which I did. This therapist helped me tremendously. But it was too late for my employment situation.
I was working for a publicly traded company in a high-demand, stressful position. Even though they were quite sympathetic to my situation and current circumstances, they had certain standards I wasn’t performing to. So I was given a “Personal Improvement Plan” and told I could take it or leave with severance. If I didn’t meet the satisfaction of the plan my employment would be terminated at the end (45 days). Being under the microscope at CLC, I simply couldn’t take an additional microscope at my place of employment so I left with severance. This additional microscope would have broken me.
I began looking for new employment in the States right away. Anywhere really. If I could find something that would move me away from CLC, that would be great! As I was doing this, it occurred to me that since I was a UK citizen I could also look for employment there. So while looking for work in the States, I started looking into the viability of moving overseas. After doing extensive research and putting a lot of thought into moving to the UK, it began to seem like a great solution for the current problems I was facing (SGM not leaving me alone, mounting financial problems, being emotionally spent from dealing with everything going on, etc.). My plan started to formulate.
After consulting with a lawyer and how my plan might be used against me (at this point, based on some of the things I heard and knew about SGM I was anticipating a pending divorce case. I wanted to make sure I could defend myself). A few days after this I announced my plan to my wife in this way: “I am moving to the UK for employment and as a last ditch effort to remove the family from the cultic group. Once I establish myself I hope to move everyone there within a year.” This plan, as was anticipated was not well received. There were a few questions, such as: “Where will we stay while you’re establishing yourself?” To which I responded, “At your parents’ or my parents house.” I was completely upside down on the mortgage (purchased in 2006 at the height of the housing bubble), the mortgage was solely in my name, and since I didn’t have a job I thought it best to save the cash we had. So at this point my mortgage company was threatening foreclosure, although, it still has yet to go to foreclosure because it is on the market as a short sale.
About a month later, on April 2nd, my wife moved out with the kids into her parents’ house. The next day, a private investigator was trying to serve me a Court Summons for Divorce (all paid for by Bob Kauflin).
Here is the complaint against me as it reads in the court summons (divorce papers). The parenthetical statements are my comments:
8. The Defendant has voluntarily quit his employment (This is not entirely true. I had a choice to leave with severance or go on a “Personal Improvement Plan” resulting in termination if not followed to the company’s satisfaction) in which he earned over $110,000 per year, unbeknownst to the Plaintiff, stopped paying health insurance coverage (Uh, I didn’t have a job), used the overwhelming majority of the family savings to attend concerts, yoga, eating out, and enlightenment classes (This is an embellishment of the facts), over the past year, has left the home, early in the morning and returning later in the evening (Uh, it’s called a job. Most people who work hard do this), wrote a check to an overseas account in an attempt to divert marital money (this was because I was planning on moving to the UK and naturally you take your money with you when you leave a country), diverted his mail to a P.O. box unbeknownst to the Plaintiff, cashed out his retirement accounts, commenced filling out citizenship applications for some of the children for the United Kingdom, told the Defendant that he is relocating to Scotland to pursue employment, exposed the children to inappropriate actions on his part against the Plaintiff including his refusal to acknowledge Plaintiff’s existence and/or presence, having unilateral discussions with the parties’ children regarding his plan to move overseas, and ceased to co-parent with the Plaintiff on almost all issues.
Count I (Constructive Desertion)
15. The aforesaid conduct of the Defendant was willful, purposeful, deliberate, intentional and final, was undertaken by the Defendant without just cause, justification or excuse whatsoever, and was intended to represent a final termination of the marriage relationship therefore existing between the parties.
16. There is no reasonable hope or expectation of reconciliation. WHEREFORE, the Plaintiff, _______, prays as follows:
a. That the Plaintiff be granted a Judgment of Limited Divorce from the Defendant on the grounds of constructive desertion as set forth hereinabove, and
b. That the Court award sole physical and legal custody of the minor children of the parties to the Plaintiff;
c. That the Court order a custody evaluation through the Court;
Count II (Mental Cruelty)
18. That although the conduct of the Plaintiff toward the Defendant had always been kind, affectionate, and above reproach, nevertheless, the Defendant, on divers days and times since their marriage, has treated the Plaintiff with extreme mental cruelty and has been guilty of cruelty of treatment toward the Plaintiff, endangering Plaintiff’s safety, health, and happiness, has assaulted the Plaintiff verbally, has humiliated her on numerous occasions, rendering continuation of the marital relationship impossible if Plaintiff is to preserve her health, safety, and self-respect. As a result the Defendant’s conduct there is no reasonable hope or expectation of reconciliation between the parties.
That is the meat of the Court Summons. Obviously, I left most of the legalese out, but you can access the full “Sovereign Grace Ministries Divorce” Court Summons for Divorce that Bob Kauflin paid for and Initiated (a SGM sanctioned divorce) here if you’re interested. I have appealed numerous times to forgo Litigation and instead use a Mediation Lawyer, which costs considerably less than Litigation (about $2K compared with $20K). It’s also more civil and doesn’t require aggressive “finger pointing” and keeps the best interest of the children in mind. I don’t know, but that seems like the more Christian thing to do.
In the State of Maryland in order to file for divorce and get the courts involved you must state reasons (as seen above). Constructive Desertion and Mental Cruelty are the two most commonly used by women, especially when they have so little to build a case on.
One commenter offered the following request:
As long as you are going semi public, what’s your response to this, just curious…“his refusal to acknowledge Plaintiff’s existence and/or presence, having unilateral discussions with the parties’ children regarding his plan to move overseas, and ceased to co-parent with the Plaintiff on almost all issues.”
My response to that is: I’m not perfect. After having my confidence betrayed and having been lied to, I found it difficult to greet my wife in the same way I typically had. As to the charge that I “ceased to co-parent on almost all issues” that’s a load of crap! I put the kids to bed just about every night, I was taking the two oldest to school every day, and I was quite involved in their lives. Perhaps it depends on what they mean by “co-parent”…i.e., I wasn’t parenting the SGM way? I mean I took spanking off the table a couple of years ago (through much wrangling and heartache). So yeah, I wasn’t into spanking my kids and therefore in SGM’s world I wasn’t being the “perfect parent”…I wasn’t “obeying God”—bollocks!
I personally know wives who have been “strongly encouraged” by SGM/CLC pastors to stay in their marriage when the husband was physically abusive. What should be blatantly obvious is the double standard and hypocrisy (things I’m sure many of you have seen throughout your time at SGM/CLC). There seems to be one set of rules for the sheep and one set for the “higher-ups,” the elite of the elite Christians.
All of this started with my desire to leave SGM/CLC. I may share more in the future because I do have a lot to tell, but this is a good start on the current issues. If you’re interested I wrote a short essay/letter to the leaders of CLC/SGM titled, “A Polemic for Pastors of Present Purgatory“. It was more of a cathartic exercise for me than anything else, but I’ve been told by people who have read it that they can identify with my sentiments.
For those interested in SGM’s policy on divorce and marriage take a look at the following document that begins with an email exchange between some of the leaders at SGM. I received this document from Brent who also sent it recently to Josh and Bob.
A Note To Those Still Propagating The SGM System: Wake up!
At one point, I received this email from Bob Kauflin:
On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Bob Kauflin wrote:
Subject: Question
Hey, Kerrin.
I recently reread your email from March [2010] on “The Situation.” It’s evident that since then our relationship has deteriorated.
Would you be willing to tell me, either by email or in person, what specific grievances you have against me?
Let me know what you think.
Thanks.
Bob
To which I responded:
On Dec 23 2010 16:22:47 -0600, Kerrin wrote:
Subject: Re: Question
My grievances are broad and deep, and are systemic in nature. All I know is the more people from your social group come at me, the more they pull at me and tell me what I’m doing wrong or they patronize me, the more distrusting I become and the greater sense of isolation and dismay I have. I’ve asked you, and others, repeatedly to let me have space to figure things out in my own way. But you, and others, continue to dishonor my wishes, increasing my isolation, distrust, and sense that I am being discounted.
A friend of mine sent him this paragraph, which was written to all leaders that continue to propagate the SGM system; taken from the essay I wrote and linked to above:
By elevating yourselves, your “wisdom,” and the group “wisdom” or groupthink, above the process by which individual people are able to develop their conscience, and decision making faculties, you rob them of what was naturally given to them: freedom and personal development. This process, whereby you subjugate individuals to your “authority,” results in individuals that are dependent on you, not on God, people who are slightly mentally handicapped when it comes to being their own individual representation of the imago dei. And since they are dependent on you and your Institution the replacement of God occurs in their psyche and you and your Institution become God. This can cause extreme and life-altering psychological damage to individuals. Personal growth and maturity, gained through the experiences and failures that come from living in freedom and true grace as a saved soul before a gracious God, are replaced by conformity to social norms and the imposed standards of your Institution. Even mild divergence from these norms is met with social ostracization and is labeled as sin. Thus explorative personal development is stunted, individuals are crippled as living under your system robs them of the ability to make thoughtful and wise personal decisions, and ultimately none of this is pleasing to God. Without the ability to make sound personal decisions, you leave people defenseless in their own lives, resulting in terrible decision-making with consequences left squarely on the individual alone to bear. The dissonance between personal freedoms and your imposed norms also creates an inner turmoil, which when coupled with the social pressures to conform, can be overwhelming, especially if one doesn’t fit or conform well to your prescribed rules and social standards. Sadly, this has even resulted in suicides and suicidal thoughts, where individuals see no other way out of the purgatory you’ve created than extinguishing their lives from it.
Bob’s response to my friend:
On Dec 29, 2010 5:20 pm, Bob Kauflin wrote:
I’m not sure what Kerrin means by “broad, deep, and systemic” because we haven’t talked about it. I don’t agree that Sovereign Grace or Covenant Life, or me, for that matter, have pervasively practiced what’s written in the paragraph [above]. Have there been occasions of legalistic teaching and application? No doubt, as there have been in many churches. But it’s something we’ve specifically taught against for decades, and many people have testified to how they’ve been freed from dependence on people to living in the good of the gospel. So it would be difficult for me to apologize to Kerrin in any kind of formal way when I don’t agree with what I understand to be his premise. Which is why I asked if I had sinned against him in a specific way.
Of course CJ outright teaches other “pastors” that their “task” is “the most elevated task God can give a man.” And if that isn’t teaching that elevates your social status, authority, and mindset above others then I don’t know what would be. If you’d like to hear the audio clip where he clearly teaches this check out this YouTube clip of cult leader, CJ Mahaney, teaching why an SGM pastor is more important than other people.
Most still within the SGM system would like to say this is simply a relational thing; it’s just my relationship with Bob, etc. Well, if you are reading what I have outlined here you will see that this is quite a bit more than one relationship; it is a system. These issues, these problems are systemic, and they are broad and deep! I could recount many instances with other “relationships” that all point to the same thing: the system is corrupt! The SGM pastoral mindset is one that believes they are to be trusted in all cases and if you don’t trust or agree with what they are saying there is something wrong with you!
Bob’s sentiment in the email above is indicative of the SGM pastor’s mindset: “it would be difficult for me to apologize to ______ in any kind of formal way when I don’t agree with what I understand to be [their] premise.” Anyone who disagrees with the way things are run in SGM and is unable to label it as a specific “sin” then there is no apology from SGM leadership coming their way. This is clear in Josh’s non-apology apology where the blame is placed right back on the congregation for following the leaders too literally. It is “difficult” for these guys to apologize because they are blinded by the system they continue to propagate and drunk on their “success” as an organization.
Of course many people have been “helped” by the SGM system. This also has been documented to happen in many other cultic groups in recent history: people with drug problems, mental problems, etc. have had life-changing experiences in a totalist systems that often represent a significant “emotional change” and are then labeled by society as “getting their life together.”
“Identification with the aggressor is relevant here because it helps us better understand the monitoring process in charismatic groups. Members of these groups are often effectively under assault by their leaders. That is, in the consensual view of their surrounding society, they are pressed to participate in unpleasant activities, and are sometimes subjected to abuse. Members nonetheless have their own psychological need for maintaining affiliation with the leader and the group, since they are captives by virtue of the pincer effect, which makes their emotional well-being depend on involvement in the group that inflicts distress. In a sense, they have no choice but to unconsciously make peace with the potentially threatening agenda of the leadership and comply with its expectations to achieve emotional relief.”—Marc Galanter, Cults: Faith, Healing, and Coercion
There is an old saying that represents inductive reasoning: “If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck it’s probably a duck.” In this case the same thing can, and should, be said about SGM: “If it looks like a cult, quacks like a cult, and walks like a cult it’s probably a cult.” Conduct yourselves appropriately in light of that revelation.
My Demands of SGM
SGM, I’ll leave you with this: reign in your boy Bob, call off the Litigation or I will post more (and not just here). You think I’m playing around? Guess again. My kids and survival are more important than any thing or relationship in the world. Don’t make me do it. As my friend Chuck used to say, “Don’t grab a tiger by its tail!”
As a supplement to my demand above, I would also like to see a formal apology to the public that addresses the following:
- • Hero worship of “The Pastor”
- • False teaching about the authority of pastors
- • Institutional Self-Aggrandizing/Elitism
- • Information Control
- • Manipulation tactics and attempts to control behavior and thought
- • Spinning from the pulpit; covering up what most people would deem negative
When you’re through with that apology, I’d like you to address each of the points in the list I provided above. Include how you see each of these at work historically within the movement and how you plan to insure these don’t take place anymore.
Is the day of reckoning upon you? Will you rise to the challenge or will you further entrench yourself?
By the way, SGM, if you’d like to know the non-cultic way to deal with someone who desires to leave your ranks the answer is, “Oh, that’s fine this place isn’t for everyone. How can we help facilitate your departure?” It’s in the manual of We’re-Not-The-End-All-Be-All-of-Christianity. Check it out sometime.
What you reap is what you sow: that’s clearly a “biblical principle.” Is it not evident that there are damaged lives and families that your system has reaped? So what are you sowing? Would “the gospel” really reap the amount of damage that is being reported here and elsewhere?
A Note To My Peers Still in SGM
If you’re contemplating leaving SGM, just do it. Walk out. Don’t bother telling them why or coming up with reasons. Just leave and find a place you’re comfortable with, a place that isn’t quite so hypocritical, two-faced, manipulative, controlling, authoritarian, etc. Maybe you can leave together with a group of trusted friends. Have fun exploring other church denominations and groups. Enjoy making your own decision about where or where not to worship.
If you’re still convinced that “changes” can, and need, to take place and you want a voice in those changes. Stop tithing and they will listen. They will have to listen to you if you stop tithing. As it is right now, the average layman has no say in the goings on. Let your voice be heard with your checkbook. At least you have that power.
I realize acknowledging any characteristics in the above list will be difficult. Take your time. If your “gut” tells you there are some things that resonate; that there are things that are “off”—listen to you gut it’s the Spirit in you! It’s your intuition, or Holy Spirit, speaking to you that has been long oppressed. Free yourself, follow your intuition: you need to listen to your intuition before “the pastors”—they are just men and not you!
Thanks to the SGM Survivors Community
I would like to personally thank all of you who have contacted me, encouraged me, and show solidarity with my situation. Since I started to become more vocal there have been times when I just want to give up and forget it all. Each time I’ve reached a low point recently, someone has called or emailed and I’ve found renewed strength to continue pressing on. So thank you all!
Sincerely from another town,
Kerrin
Email: FirstNameLastName [at] gmail [dot] com
Matthew 10:16-23:
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”
© 2011, Kris. All rights reserved.
I don’t want to stir the pot here, but I have a strong urge to cry foul after reading the second part of Kerrin’s story.
To affirm, first – Kerrin, I wish you the best, and I have good memories of my occasional interactions with you at CLC some years back. I completely agree with your assessment of SGM’s flaws and emotional abuses, especially in the particular forms they have taken at Covenant Life. I think you could not have done better than to leave CLC/SGM.
But it seems very clear that the problem originates on your side of this situation, not on the side of your wife/Bob/CLC. To be blunt, it seems like your financial irresponsibility was a much bigger deal than you’re making of it, the grounds for divorce listed in the summons seem quite substantial, and your parenthetical annotations don’t do much except to underscore the implication that you do or did have stuff to hide. If this document’s claims are true, and you haven’t done much to deny them, then any church worth its salt would have had the responsibility to call you out on this.
I recognize that many of these troubles began with your mental and emotional trauma over your increasing disagreement with CLC and its doctrine and practices. But blaming CLC for the downfall of your marriage is a smokescreen. Your first responsibility was to your wife and children, not your church. “Going it alone” isn’t a successful strategy for a husband. Marriages fall apart every day because the husband hides stuff from his wife – especially information about his/their financial situation. You went straight down that path, and the result was predictable.
You’re not the only one who is at fault. The controlling nature of CLC’s higher-ups caused tremendous mismanagement of this situation and made everything a lot more complicated than it should have been. But trumpeting their offenses while avoiding or wallpapering your own doesn’t look impressive or mature, and it troubles me that you’re being praised so roundly over a divorce/separation that you mostly caused.
I almost didn’t write this, because I have a strong aversion to being the negative voice in any context. I don’t like saying unpopular things, and I know that on this blog any dissenting comments tend to get shredded. But if I’ve learned anything from my own process of leaving SGM, it’s that you can’t take everything you’re told at face value. So this comment is my grain of salt.
I know it’s easy to shoot from the hip, so let me clarify one thing – I realize that the actual divorce procedure is due to pressure on Megan from her dad and other CLC brass, and I agree that that’s completely inappropriate. Nobody but Megan should have decided whether Megan should get a divorce. But I’m trying to say that the way Kerrin acted causes marriages to fall apart every day. When you lose trust, you lose everything.
Mattie Chatham – good comments! (That’s my wife, you guys!)
Oh, I can tell you that even if there is long term adultery, they are not always supportive even then! Let’s at least get that straight. The “wronged” party STILL has tons of hoops to jump through and one wrong move (like sleeping with your husband after a night of passionate fighting and confusion and crying in his arms for hours) is enough for the SGM pastors to say, “Oh, now that you ahd sex with him you CANNOT leave him. You could have only left him after you found out he had been sleeping with another woman for two years but before you had sex with him. Now that you had sex with him you are WITH him again in God’s eyes.”
Oh yeah, let’s not fool ourselves for a minute that there aren’t ALL sorts of hoops to jump through even after your husband has had children by other women!
Guess some women just aren’t SGM royalty enough.
“Mattie Chatham – good comments! (That’s my wife, you guys!)”
Well, Gamaliel, I’m impressed.
You did well for yourself. :wink:
Congratulations!
THAT pisses me off, Stunned! #53 :x
I’m so sorry you’ve been through so much.
I admire you greatly. I’m afraid I would be a bitter, angry woman if I were in your shoes.
Who says I’m not bitter and angry? ;)
I will stand beside Kerrin in this:
Financial irresponsibility…even HIDING financial misdealings does NOT constitute biblical divorce!
Pretty cool Mattie’s your wife. :)
Sid
Gamaliel, Let the shredding begin… I agree with you, as I have said before, that Kerrin ought not to have stopped talking with his wife. However, to represent it as having started with him, as the divorce document states it, “without just cause, justification or excuse whatsoever, and was intended to represent a final termination of the marriage relationship therefore existing between the parties,” is clearly false.
Gamaliel, you’ve met your match, buddy. :D
Let’s see if I can get block quotes to work…
No, it doesn’t, and it was obviously wrong for Megan to be pressured into a divorce over that. But marriages do fall apart for that exact reason all the time. All I’m saying here is that Kerrin’s looking to throw blame around, and seems to be avoiding the fact that he did most of the damage that led to that divorce.
I am indeed suggesting that this separation started with Kerrin distancing himself from Megan and concealing financial and other matters from her. “Intended to represent a final termination of the marriage relationship therefore existing between the parties” is hard to believe though, and it seems slanderous for the divorce papers to include that clause.
@Gamaliel,
Thanks for joining the conversation. I did respond to the Divorce Papers denying everything, because most of it is simply a mischaracterization of actions. My parenthetical statements were more commentary than a true legal response.
If I’m to blame then I’m to blame.
What exactly do you mean by my financial irresponsibilities? The statements in the court summons about “spending the overwhelming majority of the family savings on ______” is completely false and will not be substantiated in court. Most of those things listed were payed for while I had an income. What else are you referring to?
How do the underscore the implication that I do or did have stuff to hide? I’d like to know how you arrived at this assessment?
Gamaliel, I see you haven’t lost your touch. :wink:
Mattie, I like your husband…he reminds me of one of my own children. A little smart mouthed every now and then, but a good kid.
I’ll leave you two boys to your discussion.
@Gamaliel,
I missed this statement that I wanted to comment on:
My intent is not to throw blame around, unless it’s directed in the general direction of the SGM system and hypocrisy/double-standards of its leaders. I’ve said this before: I think my wife is a victim of an abusive system. I don’t blame her as much as the controllers who created this monster. I stopped communicating with people there (including my wife) because I’d been lied to so much and my confidence betrayed by people there, which is part of the system the controllers have created that fosters the deceit in order to control people. The level of deceit from people that I trusted was simply unbearable. I was done playing that game. Did I make a choice? Yes. Was it the right choice? I don’t know. I just know I couldn’t take any more betrayal of friendship/confidence and deceit.
So to bring it back full circle: the damage was done by the SGM system. That’s what led to the divorce. Things could have been much different, much different if it wasn’t for that environment.
Since none of us can know what really happened in Kerrin & Megan’s relationship, I think it best that we not speculate on blame and who “did most of the damage that led to the divorce.” It’s obvious we’re hearing one side of the story – no one needs to come to Megan’s defense, and no one needs to “attaboy” every nuance of Kerrin’s statements, either.
Let’s keep the focus on CLC’s response to Kerrin’s moves, and pray for God to do unbelievable things.
Gamaliel –
I understand where you are coming from, but I think you have oversimplified the a major point here.
TRAUMA!
– Whether you are a carpenter and crush your hand, a courier and you’ve crushed your feet, or a white collar man, and suffer a significant loss. ALL THREE are have a similar impact on ones ability to work, and all three need an opportunity to heal.
– I come from a military family, and PTSD is a serious, legitimate and debilitating condition.
– There are no words that can explain the trauma one goes through when one discovers that they have been plugged into a cult after pouring their life into it when there is the other debilitating blow of discovering you have been sleeping with the enemy. Unless you have been there, I would submit you have no point of reference to even begin to understand, let alone speak into this part of the situation…NONE!
– Being a combat veteran, I have had the “joy” of seeing more than a few friends blow up in front of me, besides me, and on one occasion, land on top of me….headless.
NOTHING compared to the devastating blow of the revelations of betrayals by almost everyone you trusted. There is no physical weapon that can cut as deep, or burn as long as betrayal in the scale of what Kerrin has experienced. This caused debilitating trauma.
– So he was having trouble at work. Cut your hands and feet off, and see how productive you are. Even then you will still have a better semblance of mental heath.
– Onto the housing bubble, not under Kerrin’s control. $650,000 home that now wont move at $320,000. That’s just a crappy housing market, and makes Kerrin one of hundreds of thousands that are flipped.
Brother, I am more than happy to show you the same grace and mercy you are displaying if, and God forbid, you become disabled, even temporarily.
Read up on PTSD, if not for Kerrin’s sake , for the thousands of service men that were permanently damaged so you can spout your opinions on this blog.
Kerrin,
I just went onto your wife’s photography site and saw photos of your precious infant daughter. She is so beautiful.
Right now, you are caught up in the emotion of how you feel wronged by SGM. And you know what? You have been. But you are so caught up in all of that, that you are blind to what really matters the very most.
There is no church, no man, who is worth allowing an ocean to separate you from that precious little baby girl who needs her dad to love her, hold her, and protect her….and I haven’t seen the faces of the others, but I know they are worth overcoming every obstacle to have near you.
I pray that in the middle of the night the Lord wakes you up and for a moment you are unaware of all of the wrongs, all of the politics, and every single thing in your life except the absence of those children.
We can all cheer for you and say, “You go, Kerrin, you go!” But at the end of the day, we will say goodnight to our children, or to our spouses, or to our dogs for that matter, and sleep soundly.
But your children need you, Kerrin. Brother, you are being deceived. Sometimes being right isn’t what really matters. Being bigger, that matters.
Set SGM aside. Set the betrayal aside. Go to your wife’s photography site and look at that precious face.
There shouldn’t be anything worth taking you away from that.
Kerrin’s baby…..
http://blog.meganrussellphotography.com/
UMMMMM…..brother, you’ve been drinking too much :koolaid
Ummm
So you are saying that Kerrin should abandon his responsibility to God and take on the eternal consequences of a false gospel because his kids are cute? I have a friend that has three adorable daughters that he only gets to see on weekends because his wife left him for a non christian cult. Thoughts?
No matter what you think of Kerrin’s situation, no matter how much or how little you believe he might be to blame for his failing marriage, there is a much larger issue here. It’s the issue that ought to concern every SGMer, particularly those who are at CLC and have for years looked to Bob Kauflin for pastoral leadershp.
SGMers should be questioning the blatant inconsistencies we are seeing in the practical applications of SGM’s policies on divorce. Actually – forget the practical applications for a moment. I think SGMers ought to be concerned about what SGM considers grounds for “biblical” divorce.
Here is the applicable section from the SGM document about divorce (linked to in Kerrin’s original post above):
I think it’s interesting that in SGM’s policy, there seems to be a great deal of wiggle room in their use of the term “unbelieving.” While it’s not expressly spelled out, there is an implication that “abandonment by an unbelieving spouse” somehow also involves abandoning the church (being placed under church discipline).
Another interesting aspect of the way this policy is written is that there is little talk about the wishes of the “unbelieving” spouse. While yes, “abandonment” implies that the “unbelieving” spouse no longer wishes to be married, it is possible – because of how abandonment of the marriage seems to be closely connected to the abandonment of the SGM church – that MAYBE a spouse could wish to remain married…but not in the context of the SGM church…and yet still be accused of “abandonment” anyway. It seems like there is room in this document for equating leaving SGM with leaving the marriage.
Anyway, if I were an SGMer, I’d be concerned about the way this document is written, particularly the way that abandonment of the spouse seems to be too closely connected to the abandonment of the SGM church.
But back to the application part…
It seems to me that in Kerrin’s case, Bob K is playing fast and loose with how he’s defining his terms. In SGM’s history, wives have typically been counseled to follow their husbands’ lead. If a husband is “feeling led” to move the family somewhere, the wife would very likely be told to submit to his wishes. If the husband went ahead with the move and the wife refused to follow him, that likely would NOT be considered “abandonment by an unbelieving spouse” in other cases.
Yet in this case, Kerrin’s desire to get his family away from his SGM church is being viewed as abandonment by an unbelieving spouse…EVEN THOUGH Kerrin has clearly stated that he would wish to remain married if his wife were to submit to his desire to move the family to another location. If we play along with this for a moment and assume for the sake of argument that Kerrin is indeed an “unbeliever,” there simply still is no “abandonment.” Kerrin wishes to stay married. How much clearer does this need to get?
If we look at scripture, we read the following, from I Corinthians 7:13-16:
Note: Megan was the one who “separated” in this case, moving out of the family home and refusing to go with her husband and follow his lead. Megan was the one who set the legalities of the divorce in motion. Megan is the one petitioning for the dissolution of the marriage.
No matter what you might think of this poor couple’s situation – no matter who you think deserves more blame – the fact remains that according to the guidelines we see in the Bible, their situation is NOT a “biblical” divorce as it is now.
Ummm,
I could be mistaken, but it’s my understanding that Kerrin’s wife took the kids and moved out of their home, filing for divorce a full month before Kerrin left the country.
Shouldn’t your appeal be to HER conscience rather than his? Shouldn’t you be telling HER to leave her parents’ house and move to a home that she and her husband could share?
Ummm, maybe I am wrong, but from what I understand, Kerrin’s access to his kids was limited WHILE he was here. NOT because he is there.
Music…..what tremendous insight you have.
Un stated:
“So you are saying that Kerrin should abandon his responsibility to God and take on the eternal consequences of a false gospel because his kids are cute? I have a friend that has three adorable daughters that he only gets to see on weekends because his wife left him for a non christian cult. Thoughts?”
I’m not sure what you read, but I know what I wrote. Kerrin’s responsibility to God is first and foremost to those kids. Not because they are cute. Because they are HIS.
Regardless of where Kerrin goes to church, where that be the First Buddhist Church of Podunk, he has children who need him. And a newborn for Pete’s sake. Is this group is so high on SGM’s wrongdoing that we could care less about the ones who are going to “lose” in this chess match, and those are the children? Bob Kauflin will not lose. He’s got his family. CJ will not lose. His followers are blind. Megan will not ultimately lose, because the next prince charming willing to be a blind follower of SGM is already planning his rescue. Kerrin may keep charging on in his battle, thinking somehow his situation is going to make a bigger difference than the rest of our stories have in finally revealing the evil of SGM.
However, that little baby deserves her daddy. And there are closer places than Europe. If those were my babies, NOTHING or NO ONE could drive me away….if I had to buy the house next door and shout “I love you’s” to them as they came and went.
And Un, you have a friend who “only” gets to see his children on weekends? Do you think Kerrin is going to get to see his kids on weekends? Kerrin, how many weekends this year will you see your children?
Kerrin will be a visitor to his children. When he can afford it.
And Kris, in those children’s lives, there is only one bigger picture, and that is their father. Yes, you have a calling to expose the evils of SGM. Let’s all concede right here right now that the abuses are intolerable and need to be stopped.
But let’s not get so high and mighty in our right-ness that we overlook the truth that Kerrin has children who need his presence in their lives, and having a “blast” on Skype will not replace his physical presence. There are so many places within driving distance, where Kerrin could at least have monthly or bi-weekly visits. And you know what? There are sooooooo many places where people would say “SG-who???” Places where people wouldn’t believe that churches like that really exist.
Did anyone here look at that baby and actually advocate that SGM’s systematic travesty is more important that her need for her father?
Kerrin never needs step into SGM again. He’s a man, he’s got children, and his calling to God is them. He should fight for them, and they should know that they matter enough for him to do so. I can only imagine what they are being told.
He wants to get them out of that cult? If he were here, he could have them out of it at least every other weekend. And that’s a start. That’s a 50% reduction.
Ummm,
Are you making these same types of passionate appeals to Megan, begging her to follow her husband’s lead and move with him, thereby reuniting these children with their father?
Ummmm….PLEASE read Kris’ comment #74 about 600 times and then go back and talk to your pastors. Please.
THAT is what needs to happen!
And please pass on the :koolaid
Sid
Stunned….
In the court, the Kauflins would no longer be able to limit Kerrin’s access to the children. He would have rights, anywhere from basic visitation (every other weekend, six weeks out of the summer, and alternating holidays) to 50% of the time.
That is so much more than he will ever get living overseas.
Ummm,
The question still is, why are they even in court in the first place?
Have you appealed to Megan to withdraw her divorce petition?
Megan, Megan’s friends, Megan’s family, anyone who knows Megan, please pass this along because I don’t know her, but I hope she’s reading…..
Megan, I remember how devastated I was when I had a newborn baby and my marriage fell apart. I can tell you that at the time, I was convinced that it was all his fault. My friends all had such sympathy for me and told me what a godly woman I was. I prayed, I fasted, but I actually kept looking to the sky begging Jesus to come back to put an end to my agony. Nursing my baby was actually very sorrowful for me, because my heart was so full of grief for the state of my family.
Can I share something with you? My husband was angry. He was so angry, because the church came before him, and he knew it. I wouldn’t listen to him, only to the leaders, always assuming they were right and he was wrong. He wasn’t allowed to be human. He wasn’t allowed to have bad days, or stumble, or question. I needed him to look and sound like they did. I was wrong, too.
Megan, most of us would admit that it wasn’t right for Kerrin to announce to you a move overseas. We would even state that contrary to what you’ve been taught, you should have a say in such a decision, that these things should be mutually decided. We would say that communication had broken down, and much of that was that Kerrin was not allowed to have doubts, to have insights that conflicted with what you were raised to believe, and not allowed to lead his family to where he felt he could worship in a church that served God rather than man. And I know you don’t see it that way. But here’s the deal…..
Your family is more important than your church. You stood at an altar and pledged before God that you would live your life with this man. He has not committed adultery, and he has not desired to leave you. You may have felt driven away, no doubt, but you have stopped being motivated by your commitment before God and you have given into fear.
I know you are probably imagining some man just like your dad coming along and being that husband you wanted and being the father you wanted those kids to have. But you know what? You married Kerrin, and Kerrin is their father. You owe it to your children to leave no stone unturned when it comes to restoring your marriage. Have faith in God, not in man.
And Megan. I’m going to pray that sometime in the middle of the night, the Lord wakes you up, and you forget about Scotland, and you forget about the yoga, and you forget about the secrets, and that all your aware of is the state of your family, and God’s broken heart for it.
SGM is not more important than your sacred oath before God to Kerrin, and those beautiful children that came from it and who need their dad AND their mom.
Wow, Ummm –
THAT…WAS…AMAZING!
Umm is making some really good points — and has NOT indicated that he’s drinking SGM kool-aid.
As one of those xSGM sisters who was told that divorcing an abusive husband/father to our kids would mean church discipline/excommunication for me, I have a very different perspective on divorce, as I have said earlier.
The romantic in me wants M to come to her senses, take up her babies, and flee to Scotland to be with her “ain true love.”
Knowing the pain of sharing a bed and roof and dinner table with a hollow shell of a marriage, walking on eggshells fearing the rage, hearing my parents ask me WHY I was still there and WHEN would I finally grow a spine and seeing no way out, I feel for M too. SGM/CLC is blatantly hypocritical here, but I can see that divorce might be a sad reality here for M and K.
What is absolute is the necessity of K staying involved in his kids’ lives. Moving isn’t a choice I would have made — though I have longed to flee (looked longingly at opportunities in New Zealand and Idaho) but I have a job here and family here and my kids have been through enough big changes. It is ALL about my kids for me — I may be able to deal with my needs at some point, but it is not this day.
My parents worked really hard to make sure my dad stayed involved even after they divorced when I was 7 — every other weekend and some summer vacations. I’ve seen other families do an even better job of co-parenting after divorce — minimizing the trauma to kids. I personally have worked hard to keep G involved in our kids’ lives — after nearly six years of separation, we’ve achieved a much greater stability for our kids, but I can’t even imagine living as husband and wife again. It would be wrong on so many levels.
Leaving is the choice K feels he has to make for his own sanity (and I guess it’s like putting on your oxygen mask before putting on your kid’s in the airplane — it feels wrong, but it’s necessary here). The big thing I don’t understand is WHY the rush on Bob Kauflin’s part — surely he and Julie have lived long enough to understand that time is a great healer of wounds, that watchful waiting is sometimes all the medicine a patient needs, that the best way to get the whole story is to wait for a kid to open up (not by pounding them with interrogating questions –although, as I think about it, they probably don’t get that at all).
Oops! I’m sorry, Umm is definitely feminine — and I agree with Kris, that was amazing.
acme,
Your comment was so wise and balanced. I especially echo this:
Indeed. Why the rush?
It doesn’t make sense on so many levels.
In “Part 1” of Kerrin’s story he said…
Kerrin, how long has Megan known you were unhappy at CLC and how long ago was it when you first told her you wanted to leave?
Ummmmmm….I take back my :koolaid comment. :)
Ummm,
I found Megan’s photography site shortly after Kerrin’s first comment when he posted under his real name. I had a FLOOD of emotions when I saw they had a new baby girl, born just last October. It broke my heart then and it breaks my heart now.
We all know it had to be hard to go through something like this for both parties, and the pregnancy had to make it even harder.
This is getting way too personal for Kerrin and Megan, but things obviously went bad fast last year.
Kindred,
It’s easy to do the math. And to be tempted to wonder why Megan feels that there is “no hope of reconciliation” so quickly. It’s not like there were years of anguish on her part.
And really…is Megan thinking about her children when she’s willing to betray her marriage as she has for its entirety?
I’m sorry to seem harsh towards Megan. I feel I have some insight and understanding….I have betrayed my marriage in similar ways talking about my husband to other trusted family members or CLC “authorities.” Telling them things he said. One day, the Holy Spirit showed me so clearly that I was damaging not only my precious husband whom God entrusted to me as his wife, but also I was damaging my marriage. He’s never done anything really wrong. Like Kerrin, my husband questioned. He has “bucked” CLC/SGM’s version of “refomed” theology forever and he was never quiet about it. No wonder he pulled away from me when I was willing to betray him by telling others what he was saying. No wonder.
I suppose this is part of why we have empathy for Kerrin. Our own marriage has seen some (minorly) similar things. I was that “more-devoted-to-my-sgm-than-i-was-to-my-husband” wife for the first 11 years of my 13 year marriage. Thank God he opened my eyes and made us move on. Only then was the Lord able to heal the damage that had been done…mostly by me because of my unwavering commitment to my church’s version of “the gospel.”
Sid
I had forgotten your story, Sidney. Thanks for sharing again. Wow…11 years of your 13 year marriage. I guess if someone like you was brainwashed so deeply, an SGM Royal raised in the system would REALLY be brainwashed.
I just can’t figure out the Kauflin’s. The advice they’ve obviously given their daughter in all this is mind boggling.
And I didn’t hand over my brain till I was in my mid 20s. I was an independent, educated adult woman when I did it. Perhaps that’s part of why I was easily able to walk away. All it took was the Holy Spirit convincing me in one fell swoop that sunny June morning in 2008.
My husband endured a lot of crap at the hands of sgm and his brainwashed wife. I am grateful we got out when we did.
The big picture: The SGM Royalty cannot admit that two people raised in their system, who followed courtship rules, went through pastor’s college, who dotted every i and crossed every “T” the SGM way, somehow did not attain marital perfection. They cannot admit that their formula produced an imperfect situation. They cannot admit that their teaching does not completely obliterate the need or the right of asking questions or exploring other points of view. They suckered themselves into believing that they and they alone had developed the one-and-only way to produce Super-Christians and combine them into SuperChristianCouples. And now, there’s a little more egg on the SGM face, as if there weren’t enough already.
Therefore, they must conclude that one of this perfectly molded couple is an unbeliever in order to provide an excuse for the failure of their neat little perfect family formula. And then, they can release the “believing” spouse to marry again — surely the second time, if she follows ALL the rules and makes absolutely SURE that the next one hasn’t the wild, sinful urge to ask questions, the formula can work.
How shocked they must be to find that somehow, their teaching, their admonishing, their advice, their culture somehow fell short. It’s a rude awakening for them to find out that their own poster children have the same questions and relational struggles as plain, ordinary, run-of-the-mill people who grew up without the benefit of SGM indoctrination and the rules of courtship.
How sad that they cannot be proud of someone who is willing to stand up, ask questions, and buck the system. How fearful of them to think that someone who asks questions and checks out a few other churches will not ever come back. In the long haul, it doesn’t show much confidence in their own teaching. Perhaps, this situation will convince them to stop being vocal on issues where the Word is silent. The Good News of Christ is perfect, in and of itself. No need for SGM or anyone else to add hoops to jump through – – hoops labeled courtship, caregroups, no kissing, no questioning, homeschooling, no college, SGM worship music, SGM book purchases, etc.
Ummm,
I appreciate your heart in this matter. It was not apparent to me in your short comment.
Apologies for my quick judgement, and spiteful tone.
I wish I could answer your question, but I have little hope where SGM is involved, and the geography Kerrin has picked, while it may be helpful for his personal healing, may not prove to be the best for the kids.
He is in a hard place.
Better to have a healed and whole Dad, than a broken man. Yet what impact or difference would that make oceans distance? I just do not know.
There is much I would like to comment concerning the historicity of PDI/SGM that might shed light on why things some of the things are the way they are in PDI/SGM but I will refrain. But I am compelled to speak to the Kerrin issue.
The fact that Kerrin has been able to separate himself from PDI/SGM is a testament of God’s grace. Without being too crass which I know I can be, by the grace of God, he has taken back his testicles and learning what it is to be a man. I read his story a couple of times and I think I understand what he has battled through to get where he is at this time. When you resist PDI/SGM and in this case their showcase worship leader it can be not just difficult but at times seemingly impossible.
I will share from a personal standpoint not so I can draw attention to myself but that might be helpful to Kerrin and those who want to help him. It is not my intent to excuse Kerrin from being a man and not put my experience on him, even though I do think there is some correlation and it might help Kerrin to continue to push on in the midst of what might seem insurmountable obstacles.
I loved the camaraderie and relationships within PDI and wanted desperately to be a good company man. After several years I knew in my heart that it wasn’t me and it wasn’t where I wanted to be and really looked for the exit strategy from PDI. Unfortunately PDI was like the roach motel, “once you check in you don’t check out”.
Although I wanted to leave PDI for years but I didn’t want to hurt people who trusted me to lead and care for them. Though I questioned methodologies and doctrines, I submitted to their authority for the sake of the church and personal (and professional) preservation. In the midst of the move the Holy Spirit (1994 – 1995) in our church I gained a strength and conviction that I could no longer just go along and I seriously started challenging what we were doing and why we were doing what we were doing.
I challenged too many things especially when it came to their authority over my life and the church. It eventually led the church leadership team and me to ask to be released from PDI. It did not go over well. I was denied the release and CJ told me personally that the church belonged to them (PDI) and that if I left PDI and wanted to continue pastoring it would be totally unethical to stay in our city. To his credit, He did want to see if we could resolve the issues and reconcile which I did submit myself to their leadership (a very dumb thing to do but I thought it was the right thing to do).
My error was to believe they really wanted to bring restoration and reconciliation. R&R is not part of the PDI/SGM culture or experience – I knew it then and it was confirmed as I walked through their reconciliation process. When Shank showed up on the scene it all seemed good and right but the more we moved through the process it became clear that from PDI’s viewpoint that the problem (me) needed to be eliminated.
There was a constant questioning of everything I had done ( and doing) and challenging God’s call on my life (as I understood it), my leadership which included family and church, how I spent my time (down to 15 minute increments), my conversations with other PDI pastors, how I was managing the move the Holy Spirit in the church (as if I could manage HIM), and the influences on the church that I allowed from outside PDI and on and on.
And then there was the under the surface destruction gradually eroding away at who I was, ‘perhaps’ the lack of ‘real’ gifting, the lack insight and discernment (rooted in my disagreement with PDI), the inability to see life as I should (how they saw it should be), how my lack of leadership was causing problems in other people’s lives, and (what I define) manufacturing or emphasizing my sins and weaknesses so they could prove their conclusions and ease their conscience to move me out.
The results of Mr Shank’s ministry was to make me totally distrust what I felt concerning the leading of the Holy Spirit, my understanding of God’s word and how I should be leading the church. No question in my mind it was with the intent to make me not trust my relationship with the Lord and place my trust in him (Shank) and the PDI leadership. If I can be so bold, this type of manipulation and control is rooted in the demonic and more specifically witchcraft.
Without trying to being dramatic, I had days that I felt I was going insane. The felt emotional pressure put me in a position that I was unable to make a decision on just about any level without a tightening in my guts and chest. No matter what decision I would make, I felt would be a wrong decision. My wife finally got through to me as to what was happening to me and called me out. At that point I just needed to get out and I was willing to do whatever it took to the point of resigning my church and much to my dismay and regret, I let them (Shank) convince me to lie to the church for the sake of the church.
Obviously I had personal issues, weakness and sin (primarily fear of man) that allowed them to manipulate me the way they did. I make no excuses. Those are my issues not PDI’s. As I look back I can see as part of their methodology to demoralize the one with which they have the problem. Shank purposely exploited my weaknesses to strengthen and justify their ungodly position. The Lord helped me to see that it is Satan who is the accuser of the brethren not HIM. This did help me through the healing and restoration process post PDI.
How does this relate to Kerrin? From what I have read, it is my contention that when Kerrin started to challenge PDI/SGM to his wife, who is the offspring of one of the elite PDI/SGM leaders, I can only imagine what came against him. The emotional and mental pressure to confirm to their agenda would be overwhelming. At some point Kerrin would have to move to survival mode and doing whatever he felt needed to do despite the real and perceived losses. I feel his pain!!!!
I would surmise that when Kerrin married Meagan he was thinking it was an advantage to him. Whether he liked it or not, his marriage to Meagan put him in the inner circle of scrutiny. I don’t believe he was blind to that at first but what he might have seen as an advantage turned on him when he disagreed with them. Who in his right mind is going to challenge Pastor Bob Kauflin? Bob is one of the most respected leaders inside PDI/SGM and outside PDI/SGM. There isn’t anyone that I know that doesn’t respect who he is and recognized his obvious gift in worship. When Kerrin challenged PDI/SGM he also challenged the Kauflin patriarch. Kerrin never had a fighting chance to leave the fold graciously which could be a whole other blog.
If Bob is reading this, let me say to you. “Brother, Meagan does not belong to you and is no longer under your ‘covering’. She is one flesh with her husband and just because you don’t like what her husband has done it is down to them and God and butt out. You are part of the problem not part of the solution. Your hypocrisy is now exposed through the blogs but a time is coming that your hypocrisy will be exposed to all. What in the hell are you thinking, maneuvering and manipulating this couple because of your overwhelming desire to protect your daughter. She doesn’t belong to you and never did. You should be doing all you can do to move your daughter and grandchildren back to her husband no matter what kind of jerk YOU think he is. When you and Julie married you didn’t have it all together no matter how much you think you may have compared to Kerrin. You and I go back to the early 80s and none of us had it together and we were all a mess. Kerrin didn’t have all together when he married your daughter and she did not make a mistake. Let God make them HIS epistle not your epistle. I would be glad to talk with you directly about this. CJ, Dave and Jim have my coordinates and I have invited them to contact me if they have issues with what I post. I may be misjudging the situation which we can discuss as men but I suspect that you would not do that. It would be safer to hide behind the PDI/SGM skirts and justify what you are doing as righteousness. Meagan left you and Julie to become one flesh with Kerrin – challenge her to that truth not your manufactured truth of what a horrible man, husband and father Kerrin as become. If I have missed the mark come back to me and I invite you to straighten me out.”
To Kerrin I would say continue to fight for your wife and your family. It is a spiritual battle. Your struggle is not flesh and blood though that is what you see. There are forces working through these good and decent people who don’t know what it is they are doing, and that in the end they are destroying the very things they hold near and dear. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but spiritual to bring down the demonic strongholds. I don’t stand as your judge but as a brother I stand with you on what is right and just in the eyes of the Lord. May His grace, mercy and forgiveness prevail in the end! God bless you and yours.
Ummmm, I completely agree with your #76!
Ummm, I just read your comment #78. Wow, that one was great, too. Batting a thousand with both of those comments!
Acme, your post #80- excellent understanding! Oxygen mask I think is a good way to put it. We’ve got some very smart people around here. ;)
Ummm, I just wrote this post below, then realized that it is VERY intimate to have some stranger asking you these questions. I am going to go ahead and ask anyway because I sort of think I should but am not 100% sure I am not just some jerk for asking this. If having some jerk stranger on the internet ask you an intimate question right now is NOT good timing for you, then please don’t read this. And, of course, I don’t expect that you have to answer me at all. None of my business. I just have this feeling that maybe I’m supposed to ask it. Here goes…
Ummm, I just re-read your post #178. It made me sad the first time and it made me sad the second time. I am so sorry that you went through that. I am praying that there was a good outcome to your story? That somehow after you saw that you had put your church before your family, that there was reconcilliation? That possibly you repented to your husband? If not, do you think you’d ever go to your ex and apologize and see if he might get back with you?
Either way, I hope you and your precious little one are well.
Irv said, “Without being too crass which I know I can be.” Irv, I have NEVER thought of you as crass. Instead, your writing here has always been gracious.
Irv, your post #91 is perfect. Thank you for sharing.
Stunned…..
I don’t mind at all, thank you. Next to my salvation, he is the GREATEST gift God has given me on Earth. I adore him. And I adore waking up to him every single day.
God redeems. God restores. God heals.
:-)
Irv,
Your posts are always balanced, thoughtful and clearly show the father heart you have for the Body of Christ.
Umm – #78 Thank you for sharing what you did. I was glad to see you address M as well. When we’ve had folks confront us about our situation and say why not just forgive? I always respond with why don’t you question your leadership on how they handle sex abuse against children? Besides, you can have forgiveness towards someone and still expose the evil they do.
Kerrin – I know how hard it can be to put your story out there, thanks for taking a stand, you may never know who needed to read that and how much it helped them. I think your “A Polemic of Pastors of Present Purgatory” should be posted on the door of every SGM church.
Praying for your situation.
Irv,
What you shared is exactly right as to what we have experienced here in Midlothian at KWCC! The manipulation and control are not from the LORD and I agree with you that they stem from demonic influences. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood . . . . thanks for that reminder! And you’re right that SGM is not interested in true restoration and reconciliation – that’s what we saw here first hand! The Holy Spirit and His work are not acknowledged and there is TOO much focus on trusting MAN instead of trusting God and HIS SPIRIT. Thank you for writing and reminding us of the reality of this spiritual warfare.
Kerrin,
My prayers are with you and for the restoration of your family! My heart breaks for you as I have followed your story! Although few of us have traveled the path you are traveling, many of us can relate to the struggle to break free from SGM. Actually getting out is just the first step in becoming healthy in the LORD! BUT, God is faithful to all who call out to HIM!